Monday, November 13, 2006

The Meatgrinder

Now that the Democrats have declared victory over one party rule, the real work begins.

We have a war to deal with that is consuming our troops at an ever increasing rate, a veritable meatgrinder of misdirected energy, bringing death and destruction to innocent civilians as well.

Bush and his cronies have set us on this perilous course with no plan for success. We are entangled in another countries' internal affairs, nation building I believe it is called, Trying to make Iraqis conform to our way of life.

It is NOT working.

The Democrats this January will have a chance to prove to the American people, their willingness to get the job done in Iraq. The Republicans have shown no other motivation in this are other than, "Stay the course", which is clearly not working. Troops are still dying for a failed agenda.

It has always been about the OIL, nothing more, nothing less. The program to undermine OPEC by gaining control of the worlds largest oil reserves using the "terrorism" card has failed. Sure Halliburton has raked in millions and perhaps billions in no-bid contracts to secure the oil fields and start production has run into snag after snag. Sabotage and attacks on US contractors continue to stifel efforts to gain control of the oil.

Bush finally admitted as much a couple of weeks ago by saying he did not want the oil to get into the terrorists hands. That statement was one of many in an attempt to justify the conflict, starting with the WMD scare, and ending with the REAL reason for being there, oil. Operation-Iraqi-Liberation (OIL)

So in order to stop this disgusting foreign policy debacle we must first address the issue of the oil before all else. Time to be upfront and clear. Time for the input from the owners of the land under which the oil lies. We cannot simply TAKE the oil as if it was our own, as the Administration would have us believe, the US does not own the mineral rights in Iraq, the Iraqis do. They know why we are there, to make them subserviant to the US and its policy of controlling oil production through intimidation.

These are the cards that have been brought to the table by the oil companies with the support of the Administration. The Democrats have a daunting task ahead. Return Iraq to the its people and hopefully lessen the bloodshed. Allow the Iraqis to once again control their own destiny.

Big money has slashed and burned the Constitution to put forward their fascist agenda, taking six years to do it. The situation cannot be corrected overnight. Diplomacy must be applied.

Many folks want immediate withdrawal of the troops, others favor staged withdrawal. We are deeply invested in this unjust war and like a sliver embedded in ones finger we must work carefully removing it as to leave surrounding tissue intact. So this theory must be applied here also. We must extricate ourselves slowly and methodically to avoid further strife to the Iraqis.
Diplomatic means should be applied to reduce the civil war potential getting out of hand.

The Iraqi people have had trouble co-operating with the US because we are percieved as occupiers not assistants. Assist the Iraqi people by restoring their sovreign status. Assist in the rebuilding of what we have destroyed. Help them to re-establish basic needs such as water and utilities. Respect has been taken away and replaced with dominance, it must be replaced.

Iraqis understand the current political climate is changing in their favor, we must follow through with an honest approach and a helping hand, and bring the Meatgrinder to a halt.


Micki said...

DEN, it will be interesting to see just how much -- (how little!) -- the bush regime will do to cooperate with the New Democratic Congress on Iraq. John McCain, while talking out of one side of his mouth, said the bush's "plan" is not working; but, talking out of the other side of his mouth, he said that he still believed the U.S. needed to send more troops to Iraq to curb sectarian violence and reduce the influence of heavily armed Shiite militias.

"I believe that there are a lot of things that we can do to salvage this, but they all require the presence of additional troops," McCain said on MTP on Sunday.

"The question, then, before the American people is, 'Are we ready to quit?' And I believe the consequences of failure are chaos in the region, which will spread," said McCain.

I think John McCain may be shooting himself in the foot, if he thinks he can win the '08 nomination, coming out of the shute with that "plan." These guys have a mystical definition of failure and success.

DEN said...

Micki, John boy is DEAD wrong about the need for more troops. That would send a signal to Iraq that we still do not think they can control their own destiny, effectivly throwing more gasoline on an already blazing inferno.

We need to establish a different approach using diplomacy to extract ourselves gracefully.

Do you think Johnboy can win in 08?

Me neither.

Best just step aside and make room for someone without Bush dominated connections, willing to negotiate a withdrawal.

º¿carol said...

I tried it again. Are you supposed to have to sign up every time, on that page with the word verification? I don't know why you can't just go to comments and type in your name and password. Seems reasonable.

I couldn't post, now I signed up, so let's see if it works.

Micki said...

Hi, Carol!!!!!!!!!!

Micki said...

Diplomacy? DEN, that's such a novel idea after 6 years of "full steam ahead" with threats and war!

I'm all for diplomacy.

Yes, John-boy is a non-starter, IMO. Get outta here!

º¿carol said...

I can't stand watching McCain yak. He's as full of crap as the rest of them. He's dreaming if he thinks he can be elected president.

But I'm prejudiced. I wouldn't vote for a republican if that's all there were on a ballot.

º¿carol said...

Oh, and hello Micki!!!! §º¿º§

DEN said...

Flip, Flop and Fly,

By Associated Press
November 13, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut said yesterday that he will caucus with Senate Democrats in the new Congress, but he would not rule out switching to the Republican caucus if he starts to feel uncomfortable among Democrats.

Maybe a big stuffed pillow would help, but who says the Democrats want him in the first place?

DEN said...


º¿carol said...

He was and is a democrat even w/o the I in front. I'm just hoping he doesn't revert to childishness and gets back to trying to do what is right for everyone.

Jeanne said...

I can't watch McCain. I don't trust one word he says. If he was in the middle of a raging fire and yelled fire I wouldn't believe him.

As for Loserman....Oh man is he going to piss off the people who voted for him if he becomes a republican.

As for Bush...I think his daddy's people have him on a lease now.

DEN said...

Still a few flakes in DC to spice things up.

Gulliani for prez????

Dont be ridiculous!

The Repugs are groping again!

Micki said...

I read somewhere today that Loserman's vote tally was 2/3 Repug and 1/3 Dem -- the other 2/3 of the Dems voted for Lamont. What was the other guy -- the (R) candidate? Schlensinger or something -- he got only 10% of the vote. So the Repugs DID vote for Joe.

All I know is if that mealy-mouth SOB crosses over the aisle and makes it 50-50, with darthcheney casting a tiebreaker vote, old Joe will be helping the Democratic Party solidify for '08.

DEN said...

Site hacked to keep 9/11 video off line.
Story here
Posted by: ricksiegel on Monday, November 13, 2006 - 12:59 PM 203 Reads

" I just never thought it was that important. How many millions of people already know that the destruction of the Trade Centers in NYC on September 11, 2001 were not caused by some jet or its subsequent fire.

This latest release of footage from BBC on the anniversary of the 911 events did not seem to me that important even though it clearly has audible and visual evidence of the demolition charges destroying the building. It was given to me from a person who told me that google, yahoo and his web provider closed his accounts for having it on. I did not believe this and put it up myself.

Shoutwire took the story down and I cannot post more stories there. Something is wrong? Original Shoutwire Story go shout it.

Micki said...

Guliani will never appeal to the masses. I hate it that image is everything, because it's so superficial, but Guliani flunks in the telegenic/photogenic category.

Plus, he's a creep who's a one-trick pony.

Micki said...

RE: McCain: If he was in the middle of a raging fire and yelled fire I wouldn't believe him.

Me, too.

º¿carol said...

If Joe crossed the aisle, what could one think of the man? Pretty much nothing nice. He would prove he's one of those unevolved neanderthals, or what Vonnegut calls the PPs. Psychotic People.

Guiliani? Ridiculous. Can't stand to look at him just like I can't stand to look at Bush.

DEN said...

Ghouliani is not bashful about using 9/11 for political gain.

That raises a big red flag in my book. Cannot stand on any other personal merit except that.

Two words for him; GET LOST!

We have enough idiots, thankyou!

º¿carol said...

That's what I hold against him AS I do Mr. Bush. Being praised for being in charge on 9/11. Hell, anyone, including me, could have been president or mayor and everything would have gone just as well. They both just happened to be where they were when it happened. Big deal. I remember people saying it was a good thing Gore wasn't president that day. What the.....? That made no sense, and it STILL doesn't.

Gerald said...

Rudy will have to have massive appeal to get the nomination.

Gerald said...

Do Not Confront! Investigate!

It is my counsel to the Democrats to not confront Hitler Bush. I would suggest that the Democrats should investigate, especially Hitler Bush’s lies. We need to secure the truth as to why Hitler Bush choose to murder hundreds of thousands human beings. Why did Hitler Bush choose war instead of peace? No sane person would choose war over peace! I believe that Hitler Bush is an insane person.

I also believe that the American people want investigation over confrontation. Six years of confrontation by Hitler Bush toward the American people has emotionally drained our citizens. Yet, the American people do want to know why all the murders?

I wish the Democrats good luck in their investigations of Hitler Bush. These investigations should aid the International Criminal Court at The Hague, Netherlands in their indictment of Hitler Bush as a war criminal. I hope that Hitler Bush’s twenty years in a international prison will be a humble and a miserable experience for a convicted war criminal.

Micki said...

Oy! I'm thinking all of a sudden about Bernie Kerik and Judith Regan and Rudy and the trysts that somehow got all out in the open when Kerik was lined up to be the head of Homeland Security eons ago. Remember that? Kerik was the NY Police Commissioner and Giuliani thought he hung the moon.
But some thought Giuliani was schtupping Judith, too, but that's right it could have been a different differnet Judith come to find out -- right there at Gracie Mansion in the Mayor's House under the nose of his WIFE and CHILDREN.

Giuliani has a turbulent personal life (in addition to being skanky) -- the relationship with his current wife, (#3) Judith Nathan, was fodder for the tabloids and gasbagyakkers for months.

If he ran, his dirty laundry would be aired again -- then someone would trot out those pictures of him in drag.


Micki said...

Carol, they were like the 5th callers! The 5th caller is the New Mayor!

( pun intended)

Micki said...

Hi, Gerald!

º¿carol said...

If it had been the 6th caller, how different things might have been.

º¿carol said...

Hello, Gerald. How was your trip?

Micki said...

Here's my prediction: Providing Ms. Condi doesn't take a beating in the Iraq Study Group's assessment of fuckups regarding the, lying, lead-up, and *management* of bush's Iraq War of Choice, the Repugs are going to start talking her up BIG TIME as a presidential nominee for '08.

Couple that with the selection of Florida Sen. Mel Martinez as the Republican National Committee's general chairman, and they think they'll be making inroads into the ethnic/black vote. The only reason they've selected Martinez as Chair of the RNC is that they want the 27 electoral votes from Florida in '08 -- which they fear are slipping away. They know Florida is kind of unpredictable, so they've selected a sitting Senator to also serve as RNC Chairman.

Frankly, as a citizen (taxpayer) I'm royally pissed. Isn't being a U.S. Senator a FUCKING FULL TIME JOB????????????????

Micki said...

If it had been the 6th caller, how different things might have been.


º¿carol said...

Micki, you're right. When is he supposed to do the people's business? Maneuvers like that are so transparent. I don't know how they get away with it. No one will howl and complain, the Senate won't stop it, the media won't harp on it. Time marches on and I'm not getting any younger.

Micki said...

Oh, BTW, they don't REALLY intend to run Ms. Condi -- they only intend to use her.

º¿carol said...

The 6th caller might have been me!!!!

"Ma fellow Americans....."

Jeanne said...

I posted on a Kusinich article on Truthdig. It was about investigations In the post I questioned the reconstruction efforts and how I saw no progress from the start. Iraqis were asking for reconstruction help. They were begging for it. Still the water and electricity issues were ignored. The governing process was hampered. The future problems were clearly spelled out on Democracy Now on a daily basis in the spring of '04'.

Well, here is the proof in my statement once again.

Top Marine: No Plan For Post-Saddam Iraq

Hagee took over the Marine Corps just two months before the invasion of Iraq — and throughout his years as Commandant, he made a point of going there every two months to do a firsthand assessment of the battlefield.

...As Commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force during the lead-up to the war, Hagee was in charge of planning for the Marines' original push to Baghdad. So I asked him about one of the enduring mysteries of the invasion — why there was no real plan for running the country once Saddam Hussein fell from power.

Unfortunately, Hagee's comments only deepen the mystery. He says he was deeply concerned about who would take charge of major Iraqi cities, like Najaf, as the Marines pushed through them on their way to Baghdad.

Hagee says he asked his boss again and again who would take charge of those cities. He wanted to know what the plan was for Phase IV — military terminology for the phase that follows the end of major combat operations. Phase IV is, in other words, what comes after "mission accomplished." Hagee says that he sent his questions up the chain of command, as they say in the military — and never heard back.

You can see that even Gen. Mike Hagee was mystified by the lack of concern for post invasion planning. Nobody is this incompetent. Nobody. I saw the same thing with Katrina. What the hell was behind all this?

Jeanne said...

Hey Gerald,
How was your trip? Was voting satisfying for you? Some of the Nazis have been kicked to the curb.

Jeanne said...

Want to be freaked out? Read this.


“I suggested that we were losing the war,” Adelman said. “What was astonishing to me was the number of Iraqi professional people who were leaving the country. People were voting with their feet, and I said that it looked like we needed a Plan B. I said, ‘What’s the alternative? Because what we’re doing now is just losing.’ ”

Adelman said that Rumsfeld didn’t take to the message well. “He was in deep denial—deep, deep denial. And then he did a strange thing. He did fifteen or twenty minutes of posing questions to himself, and then answering them. He made the statement that we can only lose the war in America, that we can’t lose it in Iraq. And I tried to interrupt this interrogatory soliloquy to say, ‘Yes, we are actually losing the war in Iraq.’ He got upset and cut me off. He said, ‘Excuse me,’ and went right on with it.”
This guy was in charge. Who decided that it was beneficial for such a lame brain to be in charge?

Jeanne said...

Off to work.

Micki said...

Jeanne, I read that NYer piece yesterday and scratched my head with astonishment and wonder -- now we're told that Rummy essentially consults himself for advice! Lame brain is being too kind!

But, on another matter related to Rummy -- not much is being said about the fact that Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski is reportedly scheduled to testify in the German trial.

Charges Sought Against Rumsfeld Over Prison Abuse

Lawyers for the plaintiffs say that one of the witnesses who will testify on their behalf is former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, the one-time commander of all U.S. military prisons in Iraq. Karpinski — who the lawyers say will be in Germany next week to publicly address her accusations in the case — has issued a written statement to accompany the legal filing, which says, in part: "It was clear the knowledge and responsibility [for what happened at Abu Ghraib] goes all the way to the top of the chain of command to the Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ."

DEN said...

Amy Goodman at Democracy Now did an excellent piece on the filing of charges against Rummy and many others and she interviewed Ms. Karpinski extensivly.
Story is here

Micki said...

DEN, thanks for the heads' up on the Goodman interview with Karpinski. I'll read it later -- in a rush right now...

But, my gawd! The abductions in Iraq are off the charts! Schools, universities closed down due to lack of security. Does this mean the death of higher education in Iraq? I wonder.

What a mess we've fomented.

DEN said...

New post y'all!