Monday, November 20, 2006

What is Wrong With Being Gay?

Fag, queer, rump ranger, lesbo, and many other offensive terms have been applied to persons desiring the company of same sex partners over the preffered heterosexual arrangement.

Why is it so difficult to be different?

Religions teach us to accept that that we cannot change. It does not qualify what constitues acceptable, it simply states we should accept all that we CANNOT change. We cannot change how a person is when they are brought into this world, why then the belief that if we brow beat a Gay person because they are Gay it will mysteriously cause change? If we believe it is wrong it changes nothing, except our belief, it does not un-gay a person, just acts as a form of discrimination.

Discrimination, that nasty term first brought to light by women and those non-white among us, the first line of defense for the threatened. We have told we cannot discriminate because of race, sex, or religious beliefs, but what about sexual preference? OH MY! it's not natural, it is not traditional family values, it is heresy. All kinds or excuses, none of which is acceptable or correct.

I am not Gay but I can sympathize with those that are. Having been ostracized all my life for being "different" I can appreciate the offensive nature of discrimination and the internal hurt that one goes through as an object of jokes and ridicule. Not being welcome among peers is a brutal and mentally challenging force to be overcome for sure. Schoolyard bullies, insecure in their own right have their way with those that have been culled from the herd so-to-speak.

In a way it challenges the offended to harden their defenses to the point of denial as in the Haggard case. The sign of a tortured soul is the denial of ones self in the world around them, causing extreme behavior to be further amplified. I suspect Mr. Haggard was so filled with self hatred and denial he persued a heightened religious course to rid himself of the guilt and pain he was feeling. But even with that he could not run away from what he was, Gay.

Why then is this discrimination allowed to flourish? Why is it not widly held that discrimination in any form for any reason will not be tolerated? The answer I believe is related to religion and the teachings condemming the "unatural act". It flys in the face of family values does'nt it? Gays cannot procreate so it must be wrong, procreation is the preffered "family" activity.

More and more Gay persons are being accepted in society but we are not totally there yet, there is a lot of work left to do before Gay's are competely accepted in this country.

It is OK to be stupid as a stump, but doncha be Gay!


Micki said...

Ooops. new post...this doesn't exactly follow, but here it is I'll read the post.

For those who are interested...gee, maybe Carville works for Mary Matalin?

Hil's no dump Dean fan

Her camp sez Carville on his own in coup bid


WASHINGTON - James Carville's attempt to topple Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee failed after state party officials and even a vocal critic of Dean crushed the coup, officials said.

Insiders from the Clinton camp winced at Carville's untimely remarks last week calling for Dean's ouster in favor of unsuccessful Senate candidate Harold Ford of Tennessee.

"It was not coming from [Sen. Hillary Clinton] and they made a real effort to distance themselves from James' comments," said a source close to the Clintons.

The Clintonistas don't want an undeserved backlash from the activist wing of the party that overwhelmingly supports Dean, especially because some anti-Clinton Democrats have blamed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the attack by Carville, a longtime Clinton insider. Those forces claimed Carville's motive was to topple Dean in favor of a chairman more favorable to Sen. Clinton's bid for President....

"We applaud Chairman Dean for his commitment to ensuring Democratic candidates and state Democratic parties have the resources and tools needed to compete and win, and we remain committed to the hard work of rebuilding our party for the future," said Mark Brewer, president of the Association of State Democratic Chairs....

"No question Dean can survive because this is a mathematical equation: He has the votes on the DNC because he has been investing in the state parties," said party activist David Sirota.

Carville did not respond to attempts to contact him.

Even Dean-basher Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and an ex-adviser to former President Bill Clinton, called Dean last week to say Carville was acting alone, and one-time DNC Chairman Don Fowler referred to Carville as an "ill-advised" voice.

"Why do the Washington people think that they have a special prerogative to dictate what the Democratic Party needs?" Fowler wrote in an e-mail to the party faithful. "Why should anyone want to mess with the team that won these remarkable [election] results?"

Micki said...

What's wrong with being gay? Homosexual behavior versus the bible

In some circles, this (above) passes for enlightened thinking. Some "experts" on values and families and family values say that the three steps to maturity and a full life are (1) leaving the birth home; (2) marriage; and (3) having children. So, that "thinking" would leave gays out of the equation on steps #2 and 3. (Adoption is an option.)

Well, I posit that step #1 is an important step, but the next two steps are questionable as indicators of maturity, IMO. I have nothing against marriage -- between two men, two women, or one man/one woman; nor do I have anything against bearing children.

But, perhaps choosing not to marry and to not bear children shows a higher degree of growth on the evolutionary ladder? Could be.

Oh, but in answer to your question, DEN, one thing that is "wrong" about being gay is the ignorance of those who are afraid or threatened by it.

Micki said...

What is wrong with being gay and Muslim?

This is an interesting article...It is true, of course, that most Muslims today regard homosexuality as bad and do try to "sweep gays and lesbians under the carpet", but this is a product of society rather than their religion. The vast majority of Christians and Jews held a similar view half a century ago but since then significant bodies of opinion in Judaism and Christianity have begun to question it.

Today, opinion in both Christianity and Judaism covers a broad range from outright hostility to complete acceptance, with many shades in between. As a result, it is no longer possible to speak of a single "Christian" or "Jewish" view of homosexuality. So far, there has been no comparable debate within Islam - but that doesn't mean to say it can't happen....

DEN said...

Micki, acceptance is needed by religions and individuals, badly.

People look to their religions for a clear path but are often given cloudy interpretations instead.

Micki said...

You're right, DEN, but if one accepts that the non-acceptance of gays by certain religious segments of a society is a problem, can experience and reason, rather than the nonrational, become the fundamental criteria for "solving" this problem?

It'll be a great day if/when religion takes the lead on this -- in a rational way, she said not holding her breath.

Micki said...

Oops...I should have punctuated this post, this way...

You're right, DEN, but if one accepts that the non-acceptance of gays by certain religious segments of a society is a problem, can experience and reason, rather than the nonrational, become the fundamental criteria for "solving" this problem?

It'll be a great day if/when religion takes the lead on this -- in a rational way -- she said, not holding her breath.

Micki said...

Tomorrow I'll be leaving town for a just wanted to say...

T for thanks to all my blogging friends for being who you are,
H for your humanity, caring for all others,
A for your abundant hearts,
N for being good neighbors to all around the world,
K for kith and kin living here, near, and afar,
S for something special that abounds.
That spells - THANKS -for bringing joy in celebrating this Thanksgiving!

DEN said...

Micki, enjoy your time away, and by all means have a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday.

The blog will be here when you get back, unless the Gestapo gets me.

Jeanne said...

Micki and Den,
I agree with you 100%. I have thought for years that the Christian right wing have a very racist view of things. They preach the way they do so they can continue to be racist and homophobic and whatever else. It's a power thing I suppose. Makes um feel good.

Jeanne said...

Another thing I have noticed. They and the neo con termites are now attacking Pelosi in a very anti woman way. They are trying to take away her femininity. If they do that she becomes just a bitch in charge. I don't think it will work. She's too straight forward about things. It's hard to be sneaky around someone who sees it and ignores the behavior as insignificant or sees it and stomps on it. She does both.

Jeanne said...

Have a good Thanksgiving Micki. Lots of good food. I experimented on a vegan pumpkin pie today. My daughter gave me the thumbs up. So I'll make it for those who eat no dairy on Thanksgiving. We are also going to try Tofuturkey. My son wanted to try it.

DEN said...

Jeanne, looks like the good-old-boys will tear up Nancy any chance they get, relentless like the attack plan they had against Clinton(Bill).

Saw Marc Maron at the Punchline this weekend, that guy is a hoot!
He is trying to put together a radio talk show similar to Morning Sedition which was on Air America, right now he is shopping around for a friendly radio, or other environment to bring it back.

Political satire is a tough sell in todays market I spose.

Jeanne said...

Den, did you watch Democracy Now? Very interesting. It had the tazer story.

Jeanne said...

I taste tested the vegan pumpkin pie. Oh God is that good. My daughter has already had three pieces. It's addicting.

Jeanne said...

Tofu Pumpkin Pie

Ingredients (use vegan versions):

1 can (16 ounces) pureed pumpkin
3/4 cup sugar or sucanat (or 1/2 cup maple syrup)
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/2 teaspoon ground ginger
1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
1 teaspoon ground allspice, optional
1/2 teaspoon ground nutmeg, optional
2-3 tablespoons cornstarch to firm up the pie filling
1 package (10-12 ounces) silken/soft tofu
1 9-in unbaked vegan pie shell


Preheat oven to 425 F. Blend the pumpkin and sugar. Add salt, spices, cornstarch and tofu, mix thoroughly. Pour mixture into pie shell and bake for 15 minutes. Lower heat to 350 F and bake for another 60 minutes. Chill and serve. Dont use the low fat tofu, then the pie tastes like it was made with tofu. This pie is soooo yummy, it will fool almost anyone. I made it last Thanksgiving for my whole family, I am the only one, and everyone asked for seconds. They begged me to make another one for Christmas dinner. Top with non dairy topping and it will fool any pumpkin pie lover.

Serves: 8

Preparation time: about 1 hour + chilling time
I used brown sugar and extra firm silken tofu. Also Keebler shortcake pie crust (you guessed it. It's vegan)

DEN said...

Jeanne, yes I did see DN, I am anxious to see where that kid can go with his lawyer. I hope he sues the hell out of both UCLA and that useless rent-a-cop outfit.

I was hoping he would have been on the show.

DN has garnered a large audience lately due to the fact they do REAL reporting not canned Mc Media crap.

Jeanne said...

Get a load of this article.

Jose Padilla also rules Iraq

Micki said...

I'm still here...I have a confession to make.

I love Cool-whip!

I am not a vegan or a vegetarian, but seldom eat meat of any kind. Won't touch farmed salmon, eat organic, won't touch anything with added hormones....but I LOVE COOL WHIP! That yukky, disgusintg chemical-laden shit!

Hubby and daughters think I'm nuts -- but our son-in-law loves Cool-whip, too! We're pals.

DEN said...

Jeanne thanks for the recipe, I will pass it on to Laura and see what she thinks. Sounds good!

DEN said...


Micki said...

Jeanne -- have you ever tried the Mori-Nu Mates pudding mix? It's 100% vegan -- you mix it with one box of the organic Mori-Nu Silken Lite Tofu, Firm or Extra firm.

It's GOOD! I especially like the Lemon Creme.

Micki said...

We've had the Tofurkey. Not bad. That was in Texas. We also served Turducken -- a Paul Prudhomme concoction, where you stuff a boned chicken into a boned duck into a boned turkey.

What an ordeal!

Jeanne said...

I want to see Seymour Hersh on DN again. He just wrote another article.

DEN said...

Speaking of pie, I got this today.
Turkeyday greetings

Gerald said...

den, I saw your comment from the previous thread. I try to be objective even though I favor the Democrats. I will not be like the Nazis in our country who believe in the Nazi Party - right or wrong.

Gerald said...

I am not from Missouri, the show me state, but deeds and behavior mean more to me than words.

DEN said...

Gerald, I resist the temptation to group all politicos in one group.
There are good ones and bad ones, like people.
Nothing worse than a bad one with power.
Too many still there after the election, hopefully those will shoot themselves in the foot eventually.
Takes time and patience to rid the govt. of them. Vote paper! Vote for change.

Micki said...

Some of the regulars at the "other" blog should be aware that a Democratic Congress can scuttle judicial nominations, utilize subpoena powers for investigations, make the Repugs' lives misterable in general terms, etc. -- BUT THEY CANNOT MANDATE FOREIGN POLICY. That's not how it works.

The American people sent a resounding message on November 7th -- We are sick and tired of bush's unnecessary War of Choice on Iraq. The Dems are pretty much in agreement that the war is a disaster and that we need to get out of there. is remarkably naive to believe that the Dems can, unilaterally, end this disastrous war. Hello! The reality is that the Democrats are pretty damned united in opposition against bush's Iraq War, and are uniting around some program to get out of Iraq -- but to make that exit happen at least SOME of the Republicans have to sign on to the deal. It's just that simple.

For chrissakes, why can't people give the New Congress a chance? It's not even January and it's bitch, bitch, bitch.. I am celebrating a little "thanks" and "giving" hope to the chance of change.

Micki said...

Oh, another thing I'm very thankful for is a well-balanced blog site.

A site where we can talk about pies, politics, gays, religion, Thanksgiving, greeting cards, acceptance, riding with the local police, writing a novel, First Nations' artists -- you know, stuff ordinary people discuss.

Micki said...

Oh...and Cool-whip!

º¿carol said...

This is the thing that when you make it you sneak out to the kitchen at 2:00 a.m., find a fork and slide it out of the fridge.

Carol's Pineapple Desert

1 Jiffy Cake mix
1 small instant vanilla pudding
1 8 oz. Philly Cream Cheese
1 can crushed pineapple
1 LARGE Cool Whip
2 cups milk

Make cake in greased/floured 13x9 cake pan. Cool. Soften and beat the cream cheese, add two cups milk and pudding and beat some more. After it thickens a hair spread it over the cake. Drain the pineapple and put that on next. (I usually buy the big can of pineapple and one of the tiny ones for extra pineapple) Spread the Cool Whip...THICK!

Oh, my gosh! I'd better make one!!!

DEN said...

Looks like yummy holidays ahead with all the recipes here, thanks for posting them!

Micki, I'm with you on the bitchin about the conresscritters, they are not even sworn in yet but they are still just as bad as the ones they are replacing.

Stuff moves slow patience is needed.

If a year from now the newbys prove themselves unworthy then fine, bitch all ya want, hell I'll even help.

But no one and I mean NO ONE was as bad as the last batch of wannabe fascists getting kicked to the curb now.

Reducing THEIR numbers will definitly help, but there is still more to boot in 08, we are not done yet!

America should be for Americans not corporations posing as persons.

º¿carol said...

Someone emailed me tonight, asked if I heard the dems were going after big oil. Wrote back and said I had no idea what they would do about anything, or even if they COULD do anything about anything. Told him to sit back and watch.

Like you said, DEN, no one has EVER been as bad for this country as the bunch ruling the roost the last 6 years. Or even the last 12 years. Lots of things need doin' and it won't happen over-night.

Micki said...

Letter to the editor from the Lincoln Nebraska Journal-Star:

Letters, 11/17: Hope y’all are happy now

I hope the Republican Party people who did not vote in this election are happy now that the Democrats are in control of the House and Senate.

You, and I mean you, can all kiss your wallets goodbye, and don’t blame the Republicans who did vote that your taxes are going up. And all the tax cuts that President Bush gave us are gone, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will make sure of this.

When the terrorists strike here at home, don’t blame the Bush administration. You can blame the do-nothing Democrats for it, for they want to rescind all of what Bush put into place. Every time the Republican Party wanted to do something the Democrats fought it all the way.

Also, Ben Nelson said he will look out for your money. Well, you can look back a few years ago when he was governor of Nebraska, that he gave away $145.8 million of your tax dollars. Now that is what I call looking out for your money.

Martin Rasch, Lincoln
Holy macaroni! No wonder this country's in the sorry shape it's in! This passes for critical thinking?!

Micki said...

Oh, Mr. Rasch, are you aware that some people who profess to care about the future of their country think that voting is a waste of time?

Don't blame "it" only on the Republicans who didn't vote, people who claim to have no party affiliation didn't vote either.

Thank goodness enough Dems, Independents, Greens, and pissed-off Repubs voted for change.

º¿carol said...

I never miss the letters to the editor in the Detroit Free Press. Gets my ire up along with the perk from my coffee.

That was a good one, Micki. Would have got my ire up.

Micki said...

Carol, don't ya love the letters to the ed?

But, get this...just got an email from a friend in Dallas who said that in Dallas County every single contested local judge's race went from the GOPhers to the Dems.

I haven't checked that out, but this guy is a pretty reliable source.

Hey, it's a start!

Alan said...

who said that in Dallas County every single contested local judge's race went from the GOPhers to the Dems.

It's true Micki. The paper here in Houston said it seems to be a trend and it could be an omen for the Houston area too.
*crosses fingers*
We have repugs holding all major positions... except H-town's mayor is a hella good Dem.

Alan said...

DEN, why were you an 'outsider' growing up? Long hair? Smoked pot? What??

Micki said...

Hey, Alan! Thanks for the verification on the judges in Dallas County. Odd as it may seem, I think that's a direct result of Howard Dean's 5-state strategy -- go for results all the way down to the county level, hell, the city, precinct level!

I think it's a winning strategy -- as Tip O'Neill said, "all politics are (is) local!"

Anyway...outta here for several days.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

Micki said...

oops 50-state strategy!

DEN said...

Alan, I did not do sports, did not do games(cards, board, etc.) Did not like most stuff the other kids were into, and was condemmed for it. I liked mechanisms of all sorts, re-incarnated engineer of sorts. Introspective and analytical.

Later became a "Shop Kid" where I found company among car-minded kids.

4 of us in a HS class of 360, quite outnumbered, we smoked cigs, cussed and were generally rebels without cars. Pot came later, along with beer. Motorcycles too.

Th 60s, Iron Butterfy, Steppenwolf, anything hard rock, best music ever!

Still a rebel cause I like it that way, screw the sheep (not literally), rebels have more fun!

DEN said...

Jeanne and all, I am going to run off to conjure up another post but wanted to mention Sy Hersh is on Democracy Now today, good 1/2 hour interview.

I do not agree with him that Gates is a shoe in for the SofD, the Dems will make him work for it! Good interview though and a "cant miss it episode".

DEN said...

NU POST! Whew!