Monday, January 29, 2007

Hell No, We Won't Go!!

Hey it looks like the protest march in DC was a safe and sane affair with a great turnout from across the country.

The American people are waking to the truth that they have been HAD by this administration and the Repug Congress. A war with enough phony excuses to fill a small library was foisted onto the backs of the American people in the name of fighting terrorism in 2003 and it has taken a full THREE almost FOUR years of meatgrinding to bring the people out in force to object to the further pursuit of an ill minded plan by the Neo-Nutjob-Conservatives.

The turnout was magnificent and the speakers were too. C-Span had coverage until they had to make a quick trip to Iowa to cover Ms. Clinton, who by the way should have been in DC with the rest instead of self serving 'elect me' speeches to Iowans. In fact there were NO Senators participating in the protest, except Tom Daschle , (ex Senator), only Representatives and activists, John Conyers, Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Dennis J. Kucinich, Lynne Woolsey, and (Hanoi) Jane Fonda, and 1500 groups coalesced together to bring about the largest Anti-War protest since Viet Nam.

My local TV channel news covered it as well as many other across the country bringing the message to many more people.

Meanwhile the same idiots are in charge and it is business as usual on this Monday morning.


Gerald said...

The five most glorious words in the English language are "HELL NO WE WON'T GO!!!!!" Rather than shouting out hut fours (hut one, two, three, four), let's shout it out, "HELL NO WE WON'T GO!!!!!"

HELL NO WE WON'T GO!!!!! Those are wonderful words and sounds to my ears.

Gerald said...

Praying Each Day: January 29

Gerald said...

America has changed forever from the days of give peace a chance to:

Give war a chance

Gerald said...

"It also means more deaths."

"There you go with that death thing again," she said. "At least 5,000 soldiers haven't yet had any opportunity to win a medal?"

"Even if the medals are Purple Hearts?"

"Wounded. Dead. Helps their career. They get promoted. Makes for better survivor benefits."

Gerald said...

I love this country and that killing, torturing mentality.

The glory of Bush is man fully and totally dead!!!!!

Gerald said...

Iran can only dream

Carey said...


Yes, the march was successful. Strong speeches and sentiments. Right on that Hillary should have been in DC. That is particularly one of the reasons I don't cotton to her. Her politics are just notacceptable. She's way too right of center for my tastes, most especially on the occupation.

This may be part of an Iranian propaganda offensive. It sure looks, however, that Russia won't take a U.S. invasion of Iran lightly. I don't know what they can do, Bush doesn't listen to anybody.

Russia to Complete Iranian Nuclear Plant on Time--Official

Russia’s Security Council Secretary Igor Ivanov in his meeting with Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki stressed his country’s pledge to complete Bushehr nuclear power plant project on the scheduled date, Iranian news agency IRNA reports.

Press and Information Department of Iran’s Foreign Ministry in a report added the two sides also discussed bilateral relations, regional and international developments and nuclear issues at the meeting.

Carey said...

Want to see what Wolfowitz has been doing at the World Bank? This report pretty much says it all.

Cementing Israeli Apartheid: The Role of the World Bank

Through the violent occupation of Iraq, the US is laying the foundations to further open the economy of the Middle East for their corporate interests. Countries once protected by oil revenues are lining up to sign bilateral agreements leading to a Middle East Free Trade Agreement. MEFTA would impose free market policies that have enslaved other regions of the global south to global capital. In Palestine, the World Bank has played a key role in facilitating the cooperation of global capital and occupation.

In Palestine, international powers are eager to implement plans to use the apartheid apparatus of the Israeli occupation—particularly the infrastructure created by the Apartheid Wall—for the establishment of industrial zones, guaranteeing economic dependency and exploitation of Palestinian communities on top of the occupation control.

The Apartheid Wall is a devastating extension and acceleration of occupation policies, designed to annex nearly half of West Bank lands and imprison the remaining population within 12 percent of historical Palestine. The Wall to date has destroyed thousands of dunums (4 dunums are equivalent to one acre) of land, uprooted olive trees, displaced families and communities, and separated Palestinians from their land and other Palestinians. Despite the 2004 International Court of Justice (ICJ) decision, which took up the Palestinian call that the Wall must be torn down and affected communities compensated—the construction of the Wall has only accelerated in the last year.

Gerald said...

Bush and Cheney should be on trial for treason

Carey said...


The Buzzflash editorial is right. I've always felt this a treasonous situation, but one hard to prove.

Interesting tidbit to chew on.

U.S. Troops Face Circular Firing Squad in Iraq

Gunmen speaking English, wearing U.S. military uniforms and carrying American weapons abducted four U.S. soldiers last week [...] and then shot them to death.

Has anyone considered the possibility that these gunmen dressed as Americans, speaking English, driving American-style security vehicles and carrying American weapons were, well, Americans?

Given the Pentagon's never-repudiated plan to foment terrorism to achieve the Bush Regime's geopolitical objectives; given the fact that Iraq is filled with private military "contractors," some of whom are almost certainly on retainer to U.S. security organs for various bits of "wetwork" and other ops on what Dick Cheney calls "the dark side"; given that we are already being told that the people who carried out this killing were "Iranian operatives" or Iraqis funded, armed and trained by same; and given the fact that the Bush Regime is now openly seeking any half-plausible pretext to launch its long-planned attack on Iran – would it not be irresponsible of us not to speculate on the ultimate origin of this bloody strike?

After all, who benefits from such a raid? All those who want more war and chaos in Iraq. This desire is not exclusive to the Bush Regime, of course – but the latter are definitely the beneficiaries of continued bloodshed, as it justifies their current policies, obscures past policies -- their deep-dyed crime against humanity in launching the war in the first place -- and it will most definitely be used to justify future policies: the "surge," the coming hellstorm of intensified urban warfare in Baghdad and the attack on Iran.

The obvious benefits that accrue to the Bush gang from this atrocity don't necessarily mean they are responsible for it; but it certainly puts them in the frame along with several other suspects.

But the AP has a different opinion: It Musta Been Those Pesky Iranians!

A senior Iraqi military official said the sophistication of the attack led him to think it was the work of Iranian agents in conjunction with Iraq's Shiite Mahdi Army militia, which Iran funds, arms and trains.

DEN said...

Those pesky Iranians!

Keep the drums beating chimpy, is it false flag yet?

I hate what the Israelis are doing. Jimmy Carter is soooo totally right!

Ari (I got immunity) Fleischer on the stand after lunch.

Carry on!

Carey said...

I think German Nazism started to develop before Bismarck (sp), but this is a fine thinking piece and warning.

Christianists on the March

Chris Hedges, who graduated from seminary at Harvard Divinity School and worked for many years as a foreign correspondent for The New York Times, warns that the Christian Right is the most dangerous mass movement in American history.

After two years reporting on the movement for his new book “American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America”, he writes that its engine is profound personal and economic despair caused by mounting social and economic inequities that fuel the creation of an American oligarchy. This despair, he said, has led tens of millions of Americans into the arms of demogogues who offer a world of miracles and magic, who sanctify and fuel the rage of America’s dispossessed and who plot the destruction the democratic state.

Micki said...

Serious question.

Has anyone here changed his/her mind on any issue/topic as a result of a discussion either on this blog, on Corn's blog, the AR blog, or any other blog that they read?

I sometimes feel that blogs are nothing more than open meetings of closed minds.

(And...sometimes, the blogs are not so open, now that I think about it .)

DEN said...

Yea Carey, time and time again religion gets in and causes problems.

Christians hate everone except Christians.

Jews hate everyone except Jews.

Muslims hate everyone except Muslims.

For 'supposed' religious organizations, the level of intolerance of others religions is astounding.

DEN said...

Micki, heck yes! With revelations of new information published here and other places, I am constantly re-adjusting and modifying my ideas.

I have been shut down in other places for my ideas but that does not stop me from analysis and belief.

I got disgusted with not having a voice anywhere else so I started my own blog, I do not follow very well.

Micki said...

Regarding my post above:

In the Sunday paper, Gary Trudeau got me to thinking about that. With all this talk, are minds ever changed? Is anyone listening? Circular firing squads. Circular arguments. Circle jerks. Talking in circles.

In Trudeau's Sunday strip, he has Tony Snow saying that the bush Library @ SMU is not just a library, but that it includes plans for a BELIEF TANK.

The reporter in the strip asks: "A belief tank?"

Tony Snow: "It's like a think tank, only without the doubt."

Micki said...

Den, I just saw your response.

Believe me ;-) your use of the word belief had nothing to do with my use of the word belief.

....coincidence only.

DEN said...

Micki, I belief you!

Micki said...

Hey, Jeanne! Have you heard that Al Franken is going home to Minnesota to explore the possibility of a Senate run? And that Air America has an angel? Stephen L. Green from Manhattan os coming to AA's rescue! Thom Hartmann is supposedly going to take Al's slot at Air America.

Micki said...

Feeding frenzy for a big story, even if it's false

As I was saying the other day....

uncledad said...

Excellent Iraq War Authors forum on C-Span right now!

Alan said...

Froomkin is back from sick leave and kicking Cheney's azz!
The Unraveling of Dick Cheney

Biggest thing for me from Ari so far is...
P did you understand that it was classified

Fl absolutely not. There's a very strict protocol when classified info is spread, my experience, when someone conveyed info that I was authorized to hear, it was always, "this is classified you're authorized to hear." When it's oral, people always say, "this is classified you cannot use it."

Nice to know there is a whole White House press policy for discussing classified information that, according to their SF-312 agreements they SHOULD NOT BE DISCUSSING unless there is a national security "need to know" basis. Wankers.
Above is from Christy Harden Smith, another of FDL's live bloggers at the trial. She's a lawyer and former prosecutor.

Alan said...

LMAO ! From Froomkin's column...

Carl Hiaasen writes in his Miami Herald column: "There are several possible explanations for the vice president's bizarre performance:

"* He's crazy as a loon.

"* He's a compulsive liar.

"* He's gotten his prescriptions mixed up with Rush Limbaugh's.

"Whatever the clinical reason might be, Cheney continues to float blissfully through a smug and surreal fog."

Alan said...

another "LMAO"

EmptyWheel talking about the next witness, David Addington...

THis guy mumbles and has no apparent neck.

Micki said...

U.S. answer to global warming: Smoke and Giant Space Mirrors

American consumption of gasoline grows with each passing year, so what good is bush's comment in the SOTU that his target is a 20% reduction in consumption by 2017?

Environmentalists say the 20% reduction target applies to how much gasoline is forecast to be used in 2017, not how much is used today. The expected increase in consumption over the next 10 years, would then mean that a cut would only slow the growth of gasoline consumption.

Too bad bush -- and the U.S. -- can't be a leader on this huge problem. bush's plan does not address the source of two-thirds of greenhouse gases, such as power plants and manufacturers; nor did he address the fact that making alternative fuels would include product made from coal, which emits lots of its own toxic gases.

Smoke and mirrors is an understatement.

Micki said...

Alan, all kidding aside about cheney's state of health. I think he's one diseased mofo. I saw this letter yesterday at from an anonymous reader -- it's kind of interesting.

Gee, Will Cheney Make A Speech to House Republicans?

Let's see what kind of reception Cheney would get from these Republicans after his bizarre behavior this past week.

Congress needs to call for competency hearings for Dick Cheney. The man suffers from severe arteriosclerotic disease (what used to be called "hardening of the arteries"). The severity of Cheney's disease has resulted in multiple heart attacks; cardiac bypass surgery; cardiac balloon angiography and the placement of stents to keep his blood flowing; arterial bypass surgery on both legs and pulmonary edema ("water on the lung").

Arteriosclerosis results in diminished blood flow throughout the body. This is all known medical fact. Can we not wonder this: If Dick Cheney's arteriosclertic disease has so progressed to result in all of those problems, how on earth can we possibly believe the arteries in his brain have not been affected?

There is no magic potion that will prevent progressive arteriosclerosis from affecting the brain when it has so affected the rest of one's body. In fact, since Cheney has been on a bypass pump at least once, it is all the more likely his brain has been affected by his disease. For starters, google "pump head."

What the press calls Cheney's "gravitas" is really Cheney's physical irritation due to lack of adequate oxygen flow throughout his body. I'm not joking - I've known many Cheney's in my professional life. They aren't exuding "gravitas", they're expressing the crankiness that results from being physically uncomfortable. You don't need to be a stark raving lunatic to have brain damage from reduced oxygen flow.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Cheney were in some degree of renal failure due to his CHF (congestive heart failure resulting from his arteriosclerosis). Maybe Cheney's absence much of the time (how often do we see him? Not very much) might be due to his receiving some sort of dialysis. Purely guessing about that, but not guessing about his advanced arteriosclerosis which has required major surgery and multiple hospitalizations. Cheney has arterial insufficiecy. Heart, lungs, brain, kidneys, limbs.. all are affected by advanced disease.

The American public deserves to see Cheney's full medical records; and Congress, based on Cheney's delusional behavior and his very well-known serious medical condition, needs to determine if he is competent to hold the second highest executive position in the land. Even Halliburton would have convened the executive board by now to question Cheney's competency to be CEO if he were exhibiting the type of delusional and combative behavior he is currently displaying.
(And if Cheney proves to be mentally incompetent, that should not be used as an excuse to let Bush off the hook for his massive, cataclysmic FUBARs. Vice Presidents aren't responsible for foreign and domestic policy. Presidents are.)
-- Anonymous

Micki said...

13% of Americans have not heard of global warming

Neener-neener-neener! I can't hear you!

DEN said...

Another Frist on line diagnosis?

We don't need no stinking doctors!

Gerald said...

Carey, you are probably right about proving treason. Yet, Bush and his band of thugs need to be investigated. If impeachment is ruled by the House, a trial goes to the Senate. The voting by the House and the Senate will give us names of who voted for what. This vote becomes public record and history and our people can look back and judge. I do not like Bush. He gives me a sickening feeling knowing that he puts people and soldiers in harms way. Bush totally disgusts me!!!

Gerald said...

People, let us stop using the names, Christians and Christianity. Christianity is a dead religion in Nazi America!!! We have dropped Christ from the word and replaced it with bush or x. The true names in Nazi America are bushians, bushianity, xianity, and xians. How can a nation of hypocrites say that they are Christians?

David B. Benson said...

Gerald --- Because they lie!

DEN said...

Lying is quite popular lately.

Nationwide epidemic popular!

David B. Benson said...

Small things which will help --- Making cement for concrete uses lots of energy. Lots. So some engineers at MIT have a proposal for a radically new 'cement' which needs about 10% less energy and throw-away magnesium rather than mined calcium.

Hope they can bring this into production!

Micki said...

Dr. B, In your opinion, is this a small thing that would help? Or does it use too much polluting electricity? Do you know anything about this PNW National Laboratory? Aren't they affiliated in some way with Battelle and DOE, which, by extension, would mean Hanford? (Hanford, ick.)

According to a new study by Pacific Northwest National Laboratory in Tri-Cities, the U.S. electricity grid is underutilized most of the time, and with the proper plan in place, could deliver enough power to fuel 70 percent of the country’s cars and light trucks.  Right now, the U.S. electricity infrastructure operates at peak capacity approximately 5 percent of the time—and seldom at night when vehicles like plug-in hybrids would charge.  Charging a plug-in hybrid at the current national average residential electricity rate of 9 cents per kilowatt amounts to a cost equal to $1 per gallon of gas, and just 70 cents “per gallon” in Washington state. 

Jeanne said...

Have I changed my mind as a result of blogs like this? Mostly I learn things. That's why I like the links.

Yes I had heard Al Frankin quit. He has made it clear he's going senator. Good riddens Norm Coleman.

Jeanne said...

David Benson,
There is no globel warning in MN. BBBRRRRRRRRRRRRR. And the NW winds are strong tomorrow.

Pandemoniac said...

Micki, there are certain preconditions that make it possible for folks to disagree and (in the end) persuade others with their writings on a blog.

First, you need to have an open blog with lots of folks from differing sides of the political divide. Second, you need a couple of folks with a commitment to factual argumentation. Finally, you need some form of factual verification.

I think that most folks on the CornBlog appreciated my writing for the links and factual substantiation that I employed. I may not have changed anyone's minds; but shooting down GOoPer talking points was fun. If there is one glaring weakness of the conservatives, it's their inability to face facts. This made my job quite simple

I have read (and still do read) the writings of the conservatives. Many of them are having to eat the words that they wrote about Mr. Bush's glory in Iraq sidewise. They've had purple fingers jabbed in their eyes. They suffer from indigestion as they watch the GOP come unglued, unable to stop the downward spiral of St. McCain and must come to grips with the very REAL possibility of a Black or Female Preznit. Did they think that this would be the eventual result of affirmative action? Funny that.

As for me, I've had my mind changed about many things. Rick convinced me that the slow unravelling of the Constitution was by design, not by stupidity. I've always been a strong believer in the Stupidity Paradigm when it came to the Bush WH. Reading Hubris only reaffirmed their idiocy.

Capt convinced me that you can link a Bushbot to information but you can't make him think.

James taught me that you can say (write) "Fuck the FBI" and "Fuck the IRS" without any serious repercussions. Hmm. Anyone heard from James lately?

Ms. Saladin convinced me that there's too much money to be made in politics for it ever to be an altruistic effort.

Alan convinced me that being a dad isn't such a scary thing afterall.

Hajji convinced me that there's always that crazy cousin that won't let you forget your past. And no matter how crazy that sumbitch is, you can still patch things up with him (or her).

Carey, Jeanne, Carrie, Carol, Kaff, Gretta, Flan, Kathleen, and lots of other ladies on the blog have convinced me that civil discourse is possible and sometimes necessary to get your point across. Snark can be counterproductive, especially since those Bushbots are such thinskinned, whiny titty-baby, motherf -- um, people.

Uncledad, Den, O'Reilly, Gerald and lots of other guys have pulled me back from the edge. Just when I was ready to drop one more F-bomb, I learned to chill, take a step back, and see politics for what it is: a high stakes blackjack game. Regular folks like us are just kibitzers. And bombing the crap out of another country, just for the hell of it, never made anyone's hand stronger.

I know I'm forgettings somebody (DBenson and JBenson, Riff, BroTex, Robert, frsbg, TubaLes, Joe Tully, and all the old-timers). I can never forget Izzybee, Chris the original, gh0sTr, and the cast of crazies that emailed me to tell me that I was one righteous Texican.

And Mr. Corn. He convinced me that Bush was more than a spoiled, money grubbing idiot. He's one of the biggest liars ever to take the stage in politics. And all this time I thought George was Mr. Bigtime Pendejo. Sneaky bastard.

Pandemoniac said...

Mrs. Pandemoniac has pledged her allegiance to Mrs. Big Dawg.

Mrs. Big Dawg has put up with some of the stoopidest bullshit nonsense from the conservatives and moderates in the MSM. I don't understand why folks feel like they need to knock her down a spot. I don't understand how the lies are allowed to stand.

Especially when she goes out of her way to help make things like this happen.

There are so many weird undercurrents in the Libby trial. This is one of them. But of course, we all owe a huge debt of gratitude to Mr. Novak for ignoring the words of the CIA spokesperson who told him that his story was wrong and not to use Valerie Plame's name in the article that started the whole thing. I like watching this video of Novak's head popping. Good stuff.

Alan said...

Hey hey, nice to hear from you Pande. About the Center for the Intrepid, I watched a good hour-long special about it last night (Sunday) on a local station. Some of those folks were in really bad shape and the article in the paper a few days before the show, warned folks about it. A few reminded me of one of my best friends growing up. He was 15 when an oven blew up in his face. Many many operations later, he still looked bad. The last operation, from the top of his head, they cut a strip on three sides down towards an ear, put a half twist in it and sewed it above his upper lip... leaving it attached to this head for a few days while wrapped up. When it 'took', they cut it on the mouth end, then pulled the strip back up and sewed it back on his head, stretching it a little to cover the patch missing. Voila! he now had a mustache to hide some of the scarring. He spent alot of time in a whirlpool stimulating his skin to grow, on his legs/chests, etc... the nurses once commenting on it's too bad he couldn't do the same for his face. He's like "duh! Get me a snorkel". They did, and held him under the water to treat his face too. This guy Jerry, while not the toughest guy I knew physically (tho he wasn't a slouch there either), was definitely the toughest guy mentally that I've ever known. He was delt a hella bad hand in life.

On a better subject... tomorrow (Tuesday) is MILLER TIME! haha Judy Miller is next up at the trial.
*turns up stereo* Coldplay's Clocks is playing.

Alan said...

Forgot to mention, the scuttlebut is that Fitz isn't going to use the "aspens" letter from Libby in the trial. That's a shame.

Alan said...

Jesus General posted a letter to Cheney about ...

A new security protocol for distributing top secret "need to know" classified information to press secretaries who aren't allowed to use it...

Dick Cheney
Vice President for Policy, Strategy, Security, Contracting, and Shooting Motherfuckers in the Face
United States of America

Dear Vice President Cheney,

I don't know if you are aware of the security breach that occured in the Libby trial today, but it requires your immediate attention. While testifying about his role in betraying covert CIA agent Valerie Plame, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer revealed the security method employed when top secret "need to know" classified information is distributed to press secretaries:

There's a very strict protocol when classified info is spread... When it's oral, people always say, "this is classified you cannot use it."

Now that the protocol has been revealed, America's enemies could use it to acquire are most guarded secrets. All an enemy agent needs to do is pretend he's a press secretary and he'll have access to all the top secret "need to know" info they want. For instance, John Kerry could call up Stephen Hadley and, imitating Tony Snow, say "send me the plans for the W-61 EPW earth penetrating nuclear warhead," "fax me the names of all the covert agents assigned to nuclear proliferation," or "email me a copy of the Office of the Vice President's paperclip procurement policy" and soon our nation's most vital secrets would fall into the hands of our greatest enemy.

The protocol must be changed before our enemies take advantage of it. I suggest adding a secret handshake (like the one Mitt believes will get him into heaven). That way, you can be assured that the top secret "need to know" classified information that press secretaries are not allowed to use will actually go to the real press secretaries.

Heterosexually yours,

Gen. JC Christian, patriot

Gerald said...

Bush is truly a psycho, no doubt about it

Gerald said...

The current president is a "gambler," a risk taker with faith - above all in himself - that has run out of luck. And at the moment of defeat, Bush is becoming even more dangerous, raising the stakes when everyone else reckons it's time to back away from the table. His last set of commands suggests that he sees Iran as the main instigator of the immense difficulty of "pacifying" Iraq. Bush's instructions that "Iranian agents" should be treated like Iraqi insurgents - that is, shoot first and ask questions later – will not be decisive to the current military situation, but it is instructive of what is going on in the brain of the man who is still the world's most powerful.

Stubbornness and self-confidence can be decisive characteristics in times of adversity, or the ultimate prescription for failure - depending on how discerning those that make and implement decisions are. In other words, it depends on that thing that is so difficult to define: vision. Bush is stubborn, without the least bit of greatness or the capacity of comparative discernment of past leaders, who at various times, have found themselves isolated and confronted by impossible tasks.


Gerald said...


Micki said...

Pande, thanks for the rundown of what you've gained from reading blogs. You could be a politician in the mode of Bill Clinton -- you mention everyone you've ever met. (Just kidding...sort of.)

Mrs. Pandemoniac must be an independent-minded, thinking woman. Good for her! I'm always glad to see another person who isn't a hardcore anti-Hillary foamer-at-the-mouth type. I always wonder what a person means when he/she claims that Hillary is "too polarizing." In fact, when I ask what they mean, they don't have a coherent answer. But, they've heard it often enough, so it MUST be true.

Anyway...I digress. Thanks again.

Saladin said...

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms [of government] to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them to absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
DEN, your photo may be a look at things to come? When the people fully realize that they must make the changes I think they will. Hopefully they will accept that corrupt politicians who make profit on war will not make decions in the nations best interests, no matter how sweet the talk. Change tends to be painful, but it will only get worse the longer it is put off.