Tuesday, March 06, 2007

Carry On

Today I am to tired to think critically or argue about irrelevant topics. So carry on among yourselves.


Micki said...

Den, isn't that a scene from WRONG AGAIN?

Is the moral of the story, one can do almost anything even if it's wrong?

Well, that's a horse of a different hue...

Hope you're feeling better and back to your old, hopeful self real soon!

Take care.

Micki said...

Econbrowser: CAFE standards

The POLITICS of fuel efficiency

Alan said...


Guilty on 4 of 5 counts!

Alan said...

I caught the end of Fitz's press conference outside on the steps, but now it's one of the jurors speaking/answering questions. VERY interesting. I'm sure it's on a ton of cable tv channels, but I'm watching it LIVE online... since I don't have cable tv, just cable internet.

Carey said...

Yes, guilty on four of five counts. So far, the commentary has centered on what this implies about Cheney. HIP, HIP, HOORAY!

Feeling just yucky, the doc is pretty sure I have neuralgia in the head and neck area on left side. Very painful--so I'm doped up.

I've been wanting to post this article for about a week now. The Hague's decision last week on Serbia and genocide was decidedly troubling. Then I saw this and felt a little better, sort of.

It's Too Hard to Prove Genocide

You know genocide when you see it
Governments need to put semantics aside and stop atrocities when they crop up.

By David Kaye, DAVID KAYE, a visiting professor at Whittier Law School, previously served as a legal advisor to the U.S. Embassy in The Hague.
March 1, 2007

DOES THE international law against genocide have force today? Or is it that genocide, a powerful political and rhetorical tool, is nearly impossible to prove in court?

Carey said...

I like horses a whole lot Den.

Really cannot concentrate right now. One comment to Micki.

In your discussion a few threads back of the public and their lack of energetic participation in knowledgable citizenship.


Gerald said...


DEN, you have Don Williams permission to highlight or spotlight his articles.

Don Williams wanted me to pass his email to you. Let us all send Don Williams a thank you.

Alan said...

What Gerald, no comment on the Libby trial? Remember your precicting (many times) that he'd walk?

Gerald said...

According to Washington standards and the sentencing laws passed by Congress to protect crooks and liars in Washington Libby could receive no jail time, 18 to 24 months and he is out in 9 or 12 months, or the judge can give Libby more time but this is seldom enforced.


Gerald said...

For Libby's crimes 9 or 12 months of jail time is a walk, if he does time at all?

Libby will write a book and make millions of dollars. If he goes to jail, he will use his 9 months to write a book and laugh all the way to the bank with his millions made on the book.

Gerald said...

Carey, what is neuralgia?

Alan said...

I dunno where you got the 9 months figure. On the five counts he was charged with, he faced up to 30 years. That he skated on one, the remaining counts can add up to 25 years. Noone thinks he would get the full sentence that's possible, but I kinda doubt the range goes down to 9 months. If you could source your version, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, I'ma have to file your prediction with all your others... like the repug landslide victory in '06... in the "does not compute" folder.

DEN said...

Well one nasty dentist visit, half hour arguing with the goofball receptionist about charges and a bottle full of kick-ass antibiotics later, I might return to normal (whatever that is) within 48 hours, it is the SECOND Monday so far this week.

But enough sniveling about me.

YES!! I knew Libby would swing!!

Said so right here about a week back.

Gerald, I do not understand to what degree I can post Don's articles, I know linking to them is no big deal but full page publishing of his stuff? Please forward the e-mail to: tech.noid@yahoo.com, thanks!

Alan said...

Den, hope you're feeling better soon. K, didn't the Neal guy say that linking to, and posting the first couple of paragraphs was cool? I dunno who that guy is to Don Willimas (his rep/agent/lawyer or what) but his tone sounded like he had authority to answer for him.

*just adding that I also wondered at first if this Don Williams was the c/w music guy haha

DEN said...

Alan, not the same as the C&W singer.

I just need Gerald to clarify what he said more.

My jaw hurts like hell, thanks, OUCH!

º¿carol said...

Sounds like that Neal guy might have jumped the gun.

Let us know what the letter says, Den.

I'm getting my teeth cleaned Thursday. Have to take amoxicillin one hour before. Have to take it for any dental work because of a heart murmur. I guess terrible infections can get in thru the gums, some that go directly to the heart. Darn. With your infection, Den, I wonder if everyone should have a dose of antibiotic before dental treatment.

DEN said...

Don't know



Gerald said...

DEN, I gave the posters an email that Don Williams sent me. It is best to reach him directly rather than have me be a third figure in this blog. You would have what he permits directly and you can ask any questions that you feel necessary.

Alan, here is how the penal system works. Congrees passed a law limiting sentences for certain criminal acts. Libby is going to be sentenced 18 to 24 months. For good behavior the criminal CAN leave prison with a 50% reduction in his prison time. That means 9 to 12 months of prison time. That is all I am going to say on the matter. If you have different information, please share it with the posters.

Micki said...

Come on.

David B. Benson said...

I'm under the impression that good time does not accumulate that fast in federal prisons.

Alan said...

I'm under the impression that good time does not accumulate that fast in federal prisons.

Yeah, unless they've changed recently, they don't have 'good time' at all. In federal prison, you do the sentence that's given, and no parole either... or at least it USED to be that way.
I know Gerald mentioned Congress limited the sentences to certain crimes (he didn't say which crimes, and I'd have to see proof of that), and then talked about parole circumstances in some STATES, which is a completely diff thing than the federal crimes that Libby was convicted of. Again this evening, on ABC World News, the 25-year liability Libby faces was mentioned yet again. Gerald's post was...
"Alan, here is how the penal system works. Congrees passed a law limiting sentences for certain criminal acts. Libby is going to be sentenced 18 to 24 months."

Gerald, I won't go into details, but I doubt there's anything you could teach me about the penal system. And I flat out don't believe your sentencing prediction.
(see earlier post regarding your predictions)

Micki said...


Micki said...

1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.

2. The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.

3. The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the
country and who are very good at crossword puzzles.

4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country but
don't really understand The New York Times. They do, however, like their
statistics shown in pie charts.

5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the
country - if they could find the time - and if they didn't have to leave
Southern California to do it.

6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country
and did a far superior job of it, thank you very much.

7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who is
running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on
the train.

8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who's running the
country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while

9. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country but
need the baseball scores.

10. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure there is a
country, or that anyone is running it but, if so, they oppose all that they
stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped
minority gay feminist atheist dwarfs who also happen to be illegal aliens
from any other country or galaxy provided,
of course, that they are not Republicans.

11. The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery


12. None of these is read by the guy who is running the country into the

Alan said...

From CNN...

Libby attorney demands new trial after conviction

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, will appeal his conviction on federal perjury and obstruction of justice charges if he doesn't get a new trial, Libby's lead attorney said Tuesday.
Libby, 56, faces a maximum sentence of 25 years in prison and a fine of $1 million. A hearing on a presentencing report is scheduled for June 5.

David B. Benson said...

It appears that there are United States Probationary Officers...

David B. Benson said...

However, since 1987, it appears that Alan is correct in that the United States Parole Board no longer has jurisdiction for granting parole for federal crimes, in the main.

Just District of Columbia and various oddments...

•c•arol said...

Micki, where'd you get that? It was great! I'm going to steal it, pretty it up and send it out to a few people.

David B. Benson said...

Checking on Wikipedia, it appears that Alan is completely correct, since the 1980s. No good time for federal offenses!

DEN said...

Chicken Butt

Micki said...

...hey guys, I'm not certain that this is pertinent to your discussion, but thought I'd throw it into the mix....

This is from Transcript of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's Press Conference

Friday, October 28, 2005; 3:57 PM, Washington Post......

QUESTION: Can you tell just us in laymen's terms -- because I don't know a lot about this -- what is the maximum sentence that Mr. Libby could receive -- that he's charged with all...

FITZGERALD: I believe the obstruction count has a maximum penalty of 10 years. The perjury counts and the false statements counts each have a maximum penalty of five years.

FITZGERALD: So there's four five-year counts and one 10-year count.

Now, for a layman, I would step back under these guidelines called the sentencing guidelines that take certain offenses and they are now nonbinding on the federal judges. But they would take into account all sorts of factors about the offense, the circumstances, the person who committed it, if the person were convicted.

And I don't want to jump past -- there's a trial there. But if they were convicted, the judge would look to the sentencing guidelines for guidance as to what actual sentence would be imposed.

So plenty of room, but there's no mandatory minimum. It's zero to 50 years, and that would be a judge's decision.

Micki said...

Carol -- I got that from a friend who is exec director of a peace and justice organization -- of course, she didn't send it to me in her "official capacity" but as a friend.

º¿carol said...

The new vogue word for 2007.


I'm already sick of it. No muscle anymore. Just that limp-wrist nonbinding claptrap.

Micki said...

First-cut Libby guideline calculations?

Musings of a law professor.....

Gerald said...

Jury believes that Libby was the fall guy!!! Will the federal judge take that into account in sentencing Libby?

Gerald said...

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