Thursday, August 09, 2007

Var-Mit Romney

Perfect white bread Stepfords

He added: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

Romney's five sons range in age from 37 to 26 and have worked as real estate developers, sports marketers and advertising executives. They are now actively campaigning for their father and have a "Five Brothers" blog on Romney's campaign Web site.

Romney noted that his middle son, 36-year-old Josh, was completing a recreational vehicle tour of all 99 Iowa counties on Wednesday and said, "I respect that and respect all those and the way they serve this great country."

The woman who asked the question, Rachel Griffiths, 41, of Milan, Ill., identified herself as a member of Quad City Progressive Action for the Common Good, as well as the sister of an Army major who had served in Iraq.

"Of course not," Griffiths said when asked if she was satisfied with Romney's answer. "He told me the way his son shows support for our military and our nation is to buy a Winnebago and ride across Iowa and help him get elected."


Oh yea verily they bestowed a Winnebargo (gas pig) upon their son and said: Go ye throughout the land called Iowa and proclaim the goodness of your father to all, beseech the good people of the land called Iowa to vote favorably upon the polls called straw, for the man from the land called Utah. Ye will reap your reward in Heaven said he.



DEN said...

Fine upstanding Christian folk wouldn't you say?

Stock brokers, real estate moguls and other privileged sots don't want to get their hands dirty with a dirty war now do they?

Burn thee in Hell thine self righteous hypocrites!


micki said...

A look back...when David Corn joined pajamas media -- what he said...

I'm on the left, but I try not to be knee-jerk, although I am strong in my values. I am not interested in spinning news, but to promote values I think are important for the nation, and to spread the word and the facts. On my blog, I like to have fun. I have done standup comedy in front of crowds, and discussed that in my blog. I try to zag instead of zigging. My site has a completely unregulated comments section, and I will get hundreds of comments. People post a lot of items I find quite useful as resources. I have resisted regulating it, or even forcing people to register, but some people create difficulties.

micki said...

Potential flaw seen in design of fallen bridge

micki said...

Regarding online features, of America's top 100 newspapers in 2007, 96% offer reporter blogs, with 86% of those offering reporter blog comments.

Though he's not a newspaper reporter per se, David Corn is not the only reporter who does not offer a comments section.

Most reporter blog comments sections require registration and the site owner retains the "right" to delete what are considered inappropriate comments.

DEN said...

Micki, Cornblog comments cease following release of DC's book Hubris?

Wild and weird days those were with trolls-O-plenty mucking up the works making a mockery of free speech.

Could not have all that going on while promoting a book now could he.

DEN said...

Comments are needed for serious personal feedback purposes, registration or pre-posting review and comment deletion by owners is a must.

Corn ran loose and fast and it bit him in the butt.

DEN said...

Regarding the bridge issue, if you have a gusset plate full of holes then insert and expand rivets in those holes it significantly reduces the overall strength of that gusset from the outward rivet pressure and causes cracking later on over time around the rivit holes.

Note the close proximity of each rivit and to the other effectively creating the 'swiss cheese' appearance prior to riveting.
That makes for a weak connector not stronger.

That bridge was built with metal half the size it should have been. box beams, supporting components all too small and consequently weak, add 40 years of salt application to the deck seeping through to the structure underneath further compromising the structural integrity and added weight from contractors brought it down.

The engineers on that bridge should be prosecuted for constructing a sub-standard flimsy POS, the feds that signed off on that weak POS should also be liable.

micki said...

Well, I don't agree that the trolls o' plenty made a mockery of free speech. They may be annoying, juvenile, and stupid but I doubt if their intention is/was to mock the First Amendment.

Furthermore, I fail to see that their behavior would have any measurable effect on Corn's book sales. Additionally, Corn could have very easily blocked the trolls o' plenty.

No, I think he shut down his comments section mainly because of the incessant postings of his regulars -- he had made such a big deal out of not interfering/vetting with postings that when his blog became a forum for "special interests" that had little to nothing to do with his articles, he just shut it down.

Can't say that I blame him.

The emergence of the Internet and blogs is just another in a series of challenges to understanding what the First Amendment protection of speech means in contemporary society.

DEN said...

Kinda like what happens here in a way, comments generally have nothing to do with the original post and vary in subject.

The blog-owners cannot expect to be the center of their universe, but rather a forum for discussion.

I post stuff i find interesting but basically ignored overall.

Like grade school the trolls pushed the envelope until everyone was screaming and nothing was being heard.

Pointless behavior for semi-functioning adults.

Free speech gone bad.

micki said...

I post stuff i find interesting but basically ignored overall.

Oh, no. Most of us comment on your postings...then perhaps go on to other things. I didn't comment on your Romney article this a.m. because, what is there to say?

It's just another example of the "haves" and the have nots" -- and the way society is divided.

I think your blog is the essence of community -- people talk about things of interest to them, which is generally generated by your posting, and there is a genuine conversation, at times.

micki said...

For example, Alan commented on DC last night on the previous thread, and we are!

In that vein, I hope Dr. B tells me what was the small glimmer of hope or good news on Alternet. I'm curious.

micki said...

oops...and we are!

...and here we are!

DEN said...

The mysterious and elusive Dr. B, drops a tidbit then disappears without further elaboration.

DEN said...

Doc, get in here, you got some splainin to do!

carey said...

Could not have all that going on while promoting a book now could he.

Interesting Den. Interesting Micki. Hmmm.

I do not miss the trolls. Lots of wasted time too. I love following David's writings. We keep well informed that way. But....

Why not just have several blogs? We get deeper into subject matter that way, and come up with some really bitchen thinking. We can crisscross as we like, just as we've been doing.

I don't really see the point to him starting up again actually. Well, I don't know.

While we're (not) enjoying the summer heat, the mice are definitely playing guys. Bush aides are up to no good, they're going to try to roll us with Petreus.

It ain't gonna happen, is it? Not if this gang has anything to do with it. Which we actually don't but....

Your intro posts were cute Den.

carey said...

Comments are needed for serious personal feedback purposes, registration or pre-posting review and comment deletion by owners is a must.

Yes. In David's case. Other cases, well, it's so subjective, is it not? There should be more like a panel reviewing comments. Time-consuming.....I don't know the answer.

carey said...

I'm getting my hair done tomorrow.


Comment intended for ladies only.

DEN said...

Perhaps you are correct, post review, slows things down quite a bit.

Comment deletion makes more sense, if someones comments are abusive they should be deleted by the blog owner.

Most folks are pretty good and contribute many varietal things.

Dumb asses should not be tolerated in any forum.

DC blog had PAID trolls to disrupt and distract, that definitely deserves deletion.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but harrasment deserves no quarter.

DEN said...

Be sure to send us pics of the "new do" on you!


Alan said...

I don't agree with your rivet comment Den. The "outward pressure" in particular. The rivets aren't smaller than the hole, then get smushed to fill the gap. They are the same size as the hole they are inserted into just like bolts. The difference is... bolts have nuts to tighten them, and rivets get the other end flattened (smushed) to make it tight. That doesn't put any more pressure on the hole than a bolt would. Also, I think your logic was backward on another thing. The more rivets in a gusset plate, the stronger it becomes because the connections the rivets make are stronger than the surrounding plate steel in the gusset. That's how I see it from a non-engineer point of view, but it's one of experience in walking the steel and bolting and welding (rivets were outdated when I worked construction) our own steel structures to theirs.
Man, I sure liked working on steel building LOTS better than all concrete ones. They were cleaner (less dust) and welding was cleaner than drilling for anchor bolts.

carey said...

Getting set up for digital photos is on my "to do" list. Takes money too.

Alan said...

Did y'all see where Steve Skvara (retired steelworker with the healthcare question at the AFL-CIO Forum) was on with Tweetie? There's a clip at "Crooks...".

Alan said...

Carey, digital cameras are getting pretty cheap nowdays.

David B. Benson said...

Micki found it yesterday on the second try. (I hadn't even noticed about Californians and cleaner air...)

David Corn siad he had to remove his comments section after a serious smap attempt to destroy his site: something like 40,000 posts in one evening.

Or was it 400,000?

DEN said...

Alan, rivets expand inside their holes as well as their ends being peened over.

The wild card here is salt.

Salt melts ice down to around 20 something degrees, if melted water seeps into the joints along with the salt and temps go to 20 below zero the water will freeze forcing the components apart, the salt further corrodes the steel and allows the seeping in of more water and allows more separation, and on and on.

Not something you would be familiar with in Houston. This puts riveted construction at a disadvantage.

Forty years is too soon for bridge collapse if constructed correctly in the first place.

Check this bridge built in 1925-1927 that still stands, using arch principles and concrete construction merely laugh at the salt and snow and has been doing so for twice as long.

Alan said...

Alan, rivets expand inside their holes as well as their ends being peened over.

I don't agree, because... like I said the rivets are the same size as the hole already, just like bolts are. There's no gap to expand into, and the 'peened' part is the end.
And yes, I knew about ice expanding. I put a small 3-man elevator up the side of a 585-ft. smokestack for a coal-fired plant. When drilling for anchor bolts, if you hit rebar, then you have to relocate the braket and drill more holes. The unused holes had to be caulked over because of the water/ice expanding phenomenon, which would crack the smokestack. That is also how they quarry big slabs of stone, instead of explosives.

DEN said...

The inspector who signed off on Minneapolis' Interstate 35W bridge almost every year since 1994 refused to accept blame yesterday for the collapse that killed at least five people.

"Go after the designer. Go ask him why he did what he did," Kurt Fhurman angrily told the Daily News at his home. "Go after the designer."

Fhurman, who was hostile and refused to elaborate on his comments, implied the cause of Wednesday's disaster was the design of the bridge - a roadbed sitting atop a metal truss.

The bridge, built in 1967, was designed by Sverdrup & Parcel, a prominent firm that also designed Busch Stadium in St. Louis, the Superdome in New Orleans and the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel.

The founder of the firm, Leif Sverdrup, is dead. The company is part of Jacobs Engineering Group in Pasadena, Calif., which did not return calls.

The two companies that built the bridge were Industrial Construction Co. and HurCon Inc. Both are out of business.

More here

Gerald said...

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When our son talked to his friend after reading the book, he said that the government will have me on their watch list and that my telephone will be wiretapped.

It was a strange comment but one that is true. For the past several weeks we have had the telephone company working around our house in the neighborhood. I have had several telephone calls without anyone at the other end. The government has probably been checking up on their investment to have my telephone wiretapped.

The government really loves to waste time and money. We only have to look at the Iraq war and see the waste of time and money. We do not have to mention the deplorable carnage that is also taking place.

The government is investigating me. I do not own a gun; I do not like guns; and guns make me very nervous. The weaponry that I do have must be my words and farts. Since I do not have a very good command of the King’s English, I would have to say that my words are not much of a weapon. I do pride myself on my farts. I must admit that my farts are quite potent.


ยบ¿carol said...

Corn probably shut off the comments because of the serial article posters who I won't name. I know I got tired of that. I much more enjoy conversation.

I never got tired of the trolls, or Pandemoniac taking them on. I LOVED that! I miss Happy and his money obsession. I found a new place to blog that is fun like Corn used to be. Plenty of right wing assholes with lefties trying to set them straight. It's just our local paper, but it's fun. There are so many different articles to comment on every day that it's addictive.

Gerald said...

Romney Speaks

DEN, I read this article last night and I was planning on sharing it with you but your blog for today mentions Romney.

Gerald said...

US Hegemony

Gerald said...

Americans need to understand what the neocon Bush regime cannot: a nuclear exchange between the US, Russia, and China would establish the hegemony of the cockroach.

In a mere 6.5 years the Bush regime has destroyed the world's good will toward the US. Today, America's influence in the world is limited to its payments of tens of millions of dollars to bribed heads of foreign governments, such as Egypt's and Pakistan's. The Bush regime even thinks that as it has bought and paid for Musharraf, he will stand aside and permit Bush to make air strikes inside Pakistan. Is Bush blind to the danger that he will cause an Islamic revolution within Pakistan that will depose the US puppet and present the Middle East with an Islamic state armed with nuclear weapons?

Considering the instabilities and dangers that abound, the aggressive posture of the Bush regime goes far beyond recklessness. The Bush regime is the most irresponsibly aggressive regime the world has seen since Hitler's.

Gerald said...

"The good news is that we have a volunteer Army and that's the way we're going to keep it," Romney told some 200 people gathered in an abbey near the Mississippi River that had been converted into a hotel. "My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."

He added: "One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."

Varmit Romney, if you are elected president and the military draft is reinstated, I hope you remember your words when millions of draft age men and women show their support for their country by helping to get the person they want as president and say to you and your children, "I doing my part to help my country by working for the person whom I think will be a great president."

Serving in the military in Nazi America is a statement that promotes imperialism and the slaughter of human beings.

DEN said...

"like I said the rivets are the same size as the hole already, just like bolts are. There's no gap to expand into"

Exactamundo!, the swelling creates pressure in the close tolerance fit holes in the material. In most cases that is ok but I think a plate of a given dimension with 30 rivets is weaker than one of the same dimension with fewer rivets causing internal pressure on the plate. More is not necessarily better.

Take a look at this pic and observe the 'torn' riveted connection plates.

DEN said...

Bush and Lyme Disease;
Had "Characteristic Bullseye Rash" ... Symptoms: "Problems With Concentration And Short Term Memory"

So what he is just a stooge anyway to direct attention away from the wizard behind the curtain, deadeye dick.

Gerald said...

Jim Hightower is a fine writer who needs to receive more credit. I enjoyed reading his books.

Jim Hightower and the Poor

Alan said...

the swelling creates pressure in the close tolerance fit holes in the material.

Again, I don't agree. What "swelling"?? Have you ever hit piece of cherry-red steel with a hammer to shape it into something? I have. You heat, and hit a shaft of steel, the only place it misshapes is where the hammer hits it. It's not like squeezing clay or something, where the whole mass changes shapes to expand.
As for the picture you linked... of course the connections are going to take the brunt of collapse, whether it's a weld, a bolted gusset plate, or a riveted gusset plate. That picture doesn't back-up your statement that basically 'less is more'.

Gerald said...

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DEN said...

OK smarty pants! lets just see what the determination is, I understand some welds were suspect as well.

We shall see there pardner!

Gerald said...

Here are three paragraphs from Bishop Gumbleton's homily of August 5, 2007.

Greed separates us from our understanding of the world as God’s gift -- something to cherish and something to protect and to steward carefully. It separates us from our brothers and sisters as we gather unto ourselves alone, separating ourselves from within ourselves; we become an alienated person and finally, can separate us from God. What greater disaster could there be?

So you see why Jesus says that so powerfully. Avoid greed! It is important that we listen to that carefully. In our lives, how many of us, when you look deeply within your heart, within yourself, the things that you own, the things that have been provided to you in this life, who would really think of those as gifts from God, not something that “I have earned,” that “I have made my own”?

What a different attitude we’ll have and what a different relationship we’ll have with God when we deepen that awareness: Everything is a gift. Everything is a gift. It makes people who are just overflowing with gratitude and with joy as we recognize how bountiful, how extraordinary is God’s goodness to us.

Alan said...

Just think about what you said. In effect, the gusset plate would be stronger with less holes, which means less rivets. If that were true, then the optimum strength would have one rivet in each beam. Does that make any sense at all???
Those plates had many rivets because that made it stronger.
For the other point... put big-time pressure on two or more beams held together with a plate, and the PLATE will give in before the beam itself breaks in the middle somewhere. That's just the way it is Den. The plate is the weakest link. Put more bolts into it to strengthen the connection but it's still the weakest point.

Alan said...

I understand some welds were suspect as well.

same same applies... link two beams with a weld, and that weld is the weakest point in the combined beam and will most likely fail before the beam itself breaks.

micki said...

...and in this corner, we have Randy the Riveter! And in this corner, we have Bucket of Bolts! ;-))

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micki said...

Dr. B!

Thanks for clearing that up about the good news!

DEN said...

But, but, at which point does the rivet count on a plate, (remember there are holes that remove plate material) exceed the plates ability to provide a secure fastening device?

My point is removing material in a plate affects its strength does it not? Plate strength depends on thickness and actual available surface area less holes drilled, more holes means a weaker piece, the rivets are immaterial, the basic plate 'tear resistance' is what I mean.

Rivet holes add perforations like tear offs on stamps, stagger drilling would help it seems compared to in-line drilling as in this bridge. IMHO

Check the last portion of this MNDOT study, section 4.1 and note the net area and gross are depending on material thickness and number of 'perforations' and how it affects torsional strength.

Also this engineer has some interesting thoughts

David B. Benson said...

Number of bolts, plate thickness, etc.

Engineers attempt to make the connection as strong as the weaker of the two members being connected.

However, it has been my observation of numerous bridges in varying states of repair or disrepair that, for bridges at least, the connections, bolts or welds, are the weakest links...

DEN said...

Doc, thanks for the input!

Gerald said...

Hitler Bush says that he is pro-education and I say to him that you are full of bullshit.

Administration Fights Dem Plan to Boost School Aid for Vets
By Alexandra Bahou and Anna Schecter
ABC News

Thursday 09 August 2007

The Bush administration opposes a Democratic effort to restore full educational benefits for returning veterans, according to an official's comments last week.

Senate Democrats, led by Virginia's Jim Webb, want the government to pay every penny of veterans' educational costs, from tuition at a public university to books, housing and a monthly stipend.

Such a benefit was a major feature of the historic 1944 G.I. Bill, which put more than eight million U.S. soldiers through college and is now credited by historians as fueling the expansion of America's middle class in the post-war era.

But in recent years the benefit has dwindled; under the current law, passed in 1985, veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan can expect Uncle Sam to cover only 75 percent of their tuition costs. That's not enough, say Democrats and veterans' advocates.

More than 450,000 used the benefit last year, at a cost to taxpayers of $2 billion, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), which administers the program. The Democratic proposal would cost an additional $5.4 billion a year, the VA estimates - and that's too much, it says.

Keith Wilson, the VA official who oversees the education benefits program, told senators last Friday the proposal would make "administration of this program cumbersome," and its costs would "tax existing VA resources."

But Democrats appeared unfazed. The current GI Bill is "woefully inadequate, given the service our military men and women have provided since [the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks]," said Webb, a combat veteran and former Navy secretary, who introduced the legislation that would expand the program. Webb's bill has 19 Democratic co-sponsors, including Sens. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and John Kerry, D-Mass., a fellow veteran.

Patrick Campbell of the Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) endorsed Webb's plan. Better educational benefits are essential for attracting talented, ambitious recruits, he asserted.

"If the Department of Defense said, 'If you serve your country, we'll pay for school no questions asked,' ... [that] would increase the quality of our recruits," said Campbell, "instead of what we're doing now, which is lowering our standards."


Gerald said...

Invasion will stand condemned

DEN said...

"Truths often begin by being dismissed as heresies. The Howard Government has tended to treat even informed critics of its policy as heretics, rather than as patriotic sources of alternative advice. That the group of 43 was correct is now clear. The Government and the country would be much better off today if their voices had been heeded. The Government's decision to invade Iraq, compounded by rhetoric about staying the course on a path on which we should never have embarked, will, I believe, come to be seen as the worst decision in the half century I have been associated with Australian foreign policy."

We knew that, but were just as powerless to stop it.

micki said...

Carol sez: I never got tired of the trolls, or Pandemoniac taking them on. I LOVED that! I miss Happy and his money obsession.

Well, I don't miss Happy at all. I thought he was a royal pain in the arse, but he'd probably say the same about me. Mais, c'est la vie!

I was always impressed with Pande's commitment to ferret out the facts to rebut the "trolls."

But... full disclosure. To this day, I do not know the REAL definition of a troll in blog lingo.

What is the definition of a troll in the Bloglexicon?