Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Duh-Bate



Clinton defended her vote on the Iran resolution, saying that it was important to pursue a “diplomatic front” but that in the face of belligerence from Tehran, “we shouldn’t be doing nothing.”

Richardson, a former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said he would be willing to talk with Iran, claiming to have been the only candidate on the stage to have negotiated with a foreign power, which drew objections from Biden and Dodd.

“I believe it’s critical that if we’re going to resolve the situation in the Middle East, if we’re going to get Iraq to stop Iran’s helping terrorists, we have to engage them vigorously, potentially also with sanctions,” Richardson said, adding that it was important to involve Russia and Washington’s European allies.

Kucinich, whose campaign is founded on opposition to the Iraq war, said flatly that “we need to adamantly reject any kind of a move toward war with Iran” and criticized Clinton’s vote for the Iran resolution.

“When you say all options are on the table, you give license to President Bush,” Kucinich said. “The war in Iraq is illegal. Even planning for the war against Iran is illegal.”

But Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, raised a different specter, saying that while Iran was an important concern, the deterioration of “an out-of control Pakistan” was a bigger threat.

“The fact of the matter is, the Iranians may get 2.6 kilograms of highly enriched uranium,” he said. “But the Pakistanis have hundreds — thousands — of kilograms of highly enriched uranium.”

@ MSNBC
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"Mike Gravel is tied with Joe Biden and Chris Dodd in some polls and is higher in others," Eisenback said. "If it excludes Gravel, it should also exclude Senators Biden and Dodd."

"There was no reason to cut me out of the debate, I got more time with it and I've been able to make my comments on it," said Former Alaskan Senator Mike Gravel. "I think I've tried to give you information on how to handle the debate in the future. This is to make Russert and Williams look good."

One of the first issues discussed in the Democratic Debate was the issue of Iran and what strategies the candidates have to engage in diplomacy.

"Mike Gravel was already pointing out how Hillary was wrong on a lot of issues," Eisenback said. "He pointed out issues such as Iran specifically. Gravel is needed in the Democratic debates, because without him, there's no challenge to the issue."

One of the main issues that concerns Gravel's campaign is that money still controls speech.

"The Founding Fathers didn't say that we weren't going to have a revolution because we don't have enough money," Lee Trager, a sophomore majoring in computer science, said.

The watch party, or alternative debate, gave people a place to watch the debate and engage in protests, according to Petherick.

Gravel paused the debate to make his remarks, as if he was actively in the debate. At points, he let the video run and talked over the candidates.

@ Drexel U. Student News
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OK, to sum it up, Obamasama still speaking platitudes, Biden brought his 'six shooter' for the Paki's, Richardsun still cannot find popular ground for anyone to listen, DDodd was dripping with righteousness, Kucinich saw a UFO, Ole Hill wants to give aliens driver licenses, wait, Grovel wants his own world and judging from the turnout on his streaming site has a little over a thousand like minded souls with him. So much shit, so little common sense in the political olympics last night.

Pre-Quake yesterday in San Jose, the BIG ONE is coming soon and it won't be pretty.
The west Coast is due for a major adjustment, no shaking in Auburn though yet, the valley is like a bowl of pudding and acts like a shock absorber so shakers don't get here.(YET)

Plenty of BS ahead, better wear boots, better yet, waders.

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20 comments:

DEN said...

Judiciary Committee hearing

"FISA Amendments: How to Protect Americans’ Security and Privacy and Preserve the Rule of Law and Government Accountability"

Gerald said...

Gavel should be allowed to join the debates. He and Kucinich are the only two persons who make any sense. Hillary is slowly losing my vote. I might have to vote Green, Independent, or Socialist. I will not vote for the Nazi Party or the Nazi Party's clone, the Dems.

Personally, on a side note the Blackwater gang is practicing to hold off America's second civil war. We are ready to be an enslaved nation.

Fifty-two percent of Nazi Americans want us to nuke Iran. The souls of Nazi Americans are damned for eternity.

WE ARE A DAMNED NATION!!!!!

micki said...

Didn't watch the debates, but I've been catching a few clips on-line this a.m. -- as far as I can tell, the money shot last night belongs to Joe Biden:

When he pointed out that Pakistan is a bigger potential (nuclear) problem than Iran.

micki said...

Waaaaa-waaaaaaaa-waaaaaaaa

Karen Hughes resigned.

She has accomplished her goal of "transformational diplomacy."

When does she get the Presidential Medal of Honor or Freedom or Bullshit?

Alan said...

...as far as I can tell, the money shot last night belongs to Joe Biden:

He also had a good line about gulianni, in saying he was the most UNQUALIFIED candidate since george bush, that all he has is "a noun, a verb, and 9/11. That's IT!"

micki said...

that all he has is "a noun, a verb, and 9/11.

Well...you're right. And that, too!

micki said...

HAPPY HALLOWEEN

DEN said...

DAM!!

The largest dam in Iraq is in serious danger of an imminent collapse that could unleash a trillion-gallon wave of water, possibly killing thousands of people and flooding two of the largest cities in the country, according to new assessments by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and other U.S. officials.

Even in a country gripped by daily bloodshed, the possibility of a catastrophic failure of the Mosul Dam has alarmed American officials, who have concluded that it could lead to as many as 500,000 civilian deaths by drowning Mosul under 65 feet of water and parts of Baghdad under 15 feet, said Abdulkhalik Thanoon Ayoub, the dam manager. "The Mosul dam is judged to have an unacceptable annual failure probability," in the dry wording of an Army Corps of Engineers draft report.

@ WAPO

Bagdad under 15 feet of water?

Flood of Biblical proportions.

DEN said...

STOMP IT!

Different kind of Happy Halloween, GROSS!

micki said...

Dr. B mentioned that damn dam yesterday.

WaPo should have pointed out that Patrick Cockburn did much of the same reporting on the dam in August of this year in The Independent/UK.

Or, WaPo should have, at the least, made it clear that this dam concern has been known -- and reported -- for quite some time.

David B. Benson said...

Dennis says saw UFO.

On HuffPo.

So there you are.

David B. Benson said...

Here are some good ideas:

11 Solutions to Halting the Environmental Crisis

But the title is over-stated, IMO. Much, much more than this needs to be done...

micki said...

Dennis as well as Jimmy Carter were probably looking at Venus.

I'm sirius!

Move along....

David B. Benson said...

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Dear Senator,

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2191)--recently introduced by Senators John Warner and Joseph
Lieberman--is as strong as possible. While it includes a strong
framework for reducing global warming pollution, the current
bill will not reduce heat-trapping emissions enough to avoid the
worst effects of climate change.

To protect the United States from the most dangerous impacts of
global warming, the bill should:

* Ensure economy-wide emission reductions of at least 15 percent
by 2020 and 80 percent by 2050.

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to adjust the emissions reduction targets based on the
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Thanks.

Gerald said...

Another Nazi caught in gay sex experience. The gay issue and the lesbian issue will lose steam. Here is the reason. In my readings 19% of the Nazis in America whose population is about 310 million is homosexual and another 14% is bisexual. One in three Nazi Americans are homosexual.

They don't call the GOP, the Gay Old Party for no reason.

Historically, since the time of Abe, the GOP has been a party for gays and lesbians.

What is difficult to understand how can the Nazis speak out against homosexuality and still be the party of homosexuality? It must be because they wanted the vote from born again kkkhristians.

Over 100 million Nazi Americans are homosexual. What a country!!!

A school in Nazi England had teachers and students dress like Muslims for one day in order to understand diversity. It seems like good practice because soon our entire planet will be Muslim.

Let us take a look at Nazi America! Soon the majority of Nazi Americans will be homosexual and bisexual combined. Christianity is dead in Nazi America and Islam will soon replace Christianity as the nation's religion.

What a country!!!!!

Gerald said...

They don't call the United States of Evil without any reasons. There is so much evil that a person has some difficulty knowing where to start with reasons. DU, shock and awe, mass murders, no veterans' health insurance are some starting positions of how evil we are as a nation.

America is EVIL!!!!!!!!!!

DEN said...

Gerald, personally I do not care what someone believes or not believes, they just do not have the right to impose their views on me or anyone else so gay is no big deal to me, and should not be for anyone else either, but that's not the way it works in an uneducated society bent on total personal gratification, violence breeds in an idle mind, respect for one another disappears.

The 'dumbing down' of America continues. You cannot fight mass stupidity. Millions of illiterate, rude, and abused children are in every corner of the country, they know nothing of the government or laws, just greed for money and power and the relentless pursuit thereof.

Some of them get elected.

They are not qualified to tell a gerbil what to do.

David B. Benson said...

Done doing my bit of keeping the internet busy for today.

DEN said...

TOP TEN REASONS TRICK-OR-TREATING IS BETTER THAN SEX.


NUMBER 10:
You're guaranteed to get at least a little something in the sack.


Number 9:
Once you've done it, you don't have to wait an hour to do it again.


Number 8:

The uglier you look, the more likely you'll get some.


Number 7:

You don't have to make small talk with the person who gave you the treat.


Number 6 :

The person giving it to you isn't fantasizing that you are someone else .


Number 5 :

If you get a stomach ache, it won't last for 9 months.


Number 4 :

If you wear a mask, no one thinks you're kinky.


Number 3 :

It doesn't matter if the kids hear you moaning and groaning.


Number 2:

The next day you don't have to call the person that gave it to you.


And the Number 1 reason trick-or- treating is better than sex.....

Number 1 :

If you don't get what you want, you can always go next door!!


Happy Trick or Treating everyone!

º¿carol said...

“When you say all options are on the table, you give license to President Bush,” Kucinich said. “The war in Iraq is illegal. Even planning for the war against Iran is illegal.”

And your point is, Mr. K......?

IT DOESN'T MATTER! LEGAL, SCHMEGAL. Bush stands there with his hands on his hips, sticking his tongue out at the nation. He can do anything he wants. There's no one to stop him.