Tuesday, January 15, 2008

GITMO Gotta Go

From the 'snowballs chance in hell' category.......

Interesting approach to GITMO, bomb the bejesus out of it! after removing the people of course.


Joint Chiefs Chairman: Close Guantanamo

Monday January 14, 2008 10:46 AM


AP Military Writer

GUANTANAMO BAY NAVAL BASE, Cuba (AP) - The chief of the U.S. military said he favors closing the prison here as soon as possible because he believes negative publicity worldwide about treatment of terrorist suspects has been ``pretty damaging'' to the image of the United States.

``I'd like to see it shut down,'' Adm. Mike Mullen said Sunday in an interview with three reporters who toured the detention center with him on his first visit since becoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff last October.

His visit came two days after the sixth anniversary of the prison's opening in January 2002. He stressed that a closure decision was not his to make and that he understands there are numerous complex legal questions the administration believes would have to be settled first, such as where to move prisoners.

The admiral also noted that some of Guantanamo Bay's prisoners are deemed high security threats. During a tour of Camp Six, which is a high-security facility holding about 100 prisoners, Mullen got a firsthand look at some of the cells; one prisoner glared at Mullen through his narrow cell window as U.S. officers explained to the Joint Chiefs chairman how they maintain almost-constant watch over each prisoner.

Mullen, whose previous visit was in December 2005 as head of the U.S. Navy, noted that President Bush and Defense Secretary Robert Gates also have spoken publicly in favor of closing the prison. But Mullen said he is unaware of any active discussion in the administration about how to do it.

``I'm not aware that there is any immediate consideration to closing Guantanamo Bay,'' Mullen said.

@ The Guardian UK


Nothing screams world class thugs more than the detention of so-called enemy combatants in a 21st Century Gulag like GITMO. The cause of all this unjust injustice? 9/11.

9/11 gave the Rethugs all the reason they needed to implement their world domination schemes with impunity. You don't like it? well maybe you would rather be killed by Islamo-Fascists.


In other, much stranger news, someone stole a spacecraft and took off with the USAF hot on their tail. Actually it was a supposed UFO.

STEPHENVILLE, Texas (AP) — In this farming community where nightfall usually brings clear, starry skies, residents are abuzz over reported sightings of what many believe is a UFO.

Several dozen people — including a pilot, county constable and business owners — insist they have seen a large silent object with bright lights flying low and fast. Some reported seeing fighter jets chasing it.

"People wonder what in the world it is because this is the Bible Belt, and everyone is afraid it's the end of times," said Steve Allen, a freight company owner and pilot who said the object he saw last week was a mile long and half a mile wide. "It was positively, absolutely nothing from these parts."

While federal officials insist there's a logical explanation, locals swear that it was larger, quieter, faster and lower to the ground than an airplane. They also said the object's lights changed configuration, unlike those of a plane. People in several towns who reported seeing it over several weeks have offered similar descriptions of the object.

Machinist Ricky Sorrells said friends made fun of him when he told them he saw a flat, metallic object hovering about 300 feet over a pasture behind his Dublin home. But he decided to come forward after reading similar accounts in the Stephenville Empire-Tribune.

"You hear about big bass or big buck in the area, but this is a different deal," Sorrells said. "It feels good to hear that other people saw something, because that means I'm not crazy.

@ The AP

Hey maybe they can swing by DC and upload the Administration to the moon, OOPS! forgot, they are already there.



micki said...


Tonight there will be another *debate* - this one moderated by Tim Russert and Brian Williams of NBC. So far this year, Tim Russert has spent more time talking to the presidential candidates about UFOs, baseball and bible verses. In fact, in the entire presidential campaign, Tim Russert has asked 827 questions but has never mentioned the words 'global warming'. Not once!

micki said...

Den -- Dublin, Texas is the site of the oldest Dr Pepper bottling facility and still uses cane sugar, instead of corn syrup.

Maybe someone sneaked some corn syrup into the mixture causing folks to see strange things.

Then again...Dublin and Stephenville are not that far from Crawford, TX, as the crow flies. Hmmm...

Gerald said...

Micki, I signed the petition.

Hitler Bush is doing everything possible to draw in tons of people into Nazi America in hopes that someone, if not the CIA, will commence terrorist attack inside the country before the the 2008 elections so he can declare martial law.


NEW YORK (CBS/AP) ― With a falling dollar sweetening the deal, a rising number of international travelers chose the city as their destination in 2007, spurring a record-setting year that saw visitors spend an estimated $28 billion in the metropolis, tourism officials said.

With a final count still pending, the city's tourism office said Sunday that an estimated 46 million people had visited the city in 2007 -- up 5 percent from the year before. The jump was largely due to visitors from other countries, who numbered an estimated 8.5 million -- a growth of 17 percent.

George Fertitta, chief executive of city tourism office NYC & Company, said the visitors were drawn by more than a favorable exchange rate and the city's international marketing efforts.

"The city is more vibrant, cleaner and safer -- and it's just more exciting than ever before," he said. "It really is experiencing a great moment. Almost everything is functioning on all cylinders, from the performing arts to the museums to the theater and restaurants."

The portion of the city's tourists who were from other countries had dwindled since the Sept. 11 attacks, and last year's growth returned the ratio to pre-2001 levels.

The city has been working to draw such international visitors, who stay longer and spend more money. NYC & Company has launched an overseas television, print and billboard campaign, and in 2007 it more than doubled its marketing offices overseas, targeting countries including China, Brazil and Canada.

While the city has gotten increasingly popular with many nations in Europe and elsewhere, the number of Japanese citizens deciding to visit continued to fall -- down to 260,000 last year from 410,000 in 2000.

Fertitta attributed the decline to economic troubles in Japan and what he said was a tendency among many Japanese to visit a destination only once.

New York is one of only a few U.S. urban centers that did not see a drop in the number of overseas visitors between 2000 and 2006, and Fertitta said he expected to continue working to hold the city's lead, in part by opening marketing offices in Australia and India.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg has said he wants the city to attract 50 million travelers each year by 2015. Last year, visitors to New York spent $4 billion more than they had the year before.

DEN said...

Signed; Me 2

Hey Alan! seen any funny looking UFO's around Houston?

Gerald said...

Tim Russert is just another Nazi. He is more interested in the big bucks that the Nazis give him. Typical Nazi - hand out and mouth shut!!!

Gerald said...

I want to scare the hell out of the rest of the world.
– General Colin Powell (the fuhrer's lapdog)

Gerald said...

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful...They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.
– George W. Bush

DEN said...


Del Quentin Wilber and Michael Laris
Washington Post - 01/15/2008

A design flaw caused the Interstate 35W bridge in Minneapolis to collapse last summer, killing 13 people and injuring 100 in an accident that focused renewed attention on the safety of the nation’s highways and bridges, according to federal sources familiar with the investigation.

The National Transportation Safety Board is expected to announce today that investigators have traced the failure to steel structures known as gusset plates that held together beams on the Minneapolis bridge, according to sources who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the board’s findings.

Some gusset plates on the bridge, which carried eight-lane Interstate 35W across the Mississippi River, snapped during evening rush hour on Aug. 1, causing the bridge to crumple, according to the sources.

Gusset plates are a common feature on steel bridges across the nation. They hold together angled beams on the bridge’s frame.

The sources said the fault in the Minneapolis span stemmed from the bridge’s design and would not have been discovered during detailed state inspections.

When the bridge was constructed in the 1960s, its gusset plates were neither thick enough nor strong enough to meet safety margins of the era, the sources said. Over decades, renovations added weight to the span. It was undergoing a construction project with heavy equipment and material at the time of the collapse.

The sources said investigators were not sure what role those projects played in the incident. But investigators have speculated that the extra weight may have triggered the gusset plates’ failure, two of the sources said.

During the construction projects, the sources said, state officials and contractors did not recalculate how the extra weight might affect the gusset plates. They said it was not standard procedure to do such studies.

The NTSB has not uncovered similar flaws in other bridges, the sources said.

The safety board is expected to recommend at a news conference today that federal and state authorities conduct more rigorous engineering studies of gusset plates before beginning renovation projects on bridges in the future, the sources said.

An NTSB spokesman said investigators could not comment on any recommendations or findings until they are publicly released.

A spokeswoman for the Minnesota Department of Transportation did not return a phone message seeking comment.

There ya go, flimsy construction practices did it in.

Gerald said...

Many Saudis Leery of Hitler Bush

DEN said...

Predicto sez:

The chimp will get a missile up the tailpipe of AF1 on the way out of the ME, that way deadeye dick can be King. Evil bastards will do anything to gain more money and power.

Place your bets.

Alan said...

"...investigators have traced the failure to steel structures known as gusset plates that held together beams on the Minneapolis bridge,"

Yeah, a design failure, where the gusset plates weren't the correct thickness. If they WERE the correct thickness, then they wouldn't be the achilles heel they turned out to be.
The 'splice plates' we used on elevators were stronger than the rails we spliced with them.

And nope, I haven't seen any UFOs here, dang-it!

DEN said...

Funny, sort of

David B. Benson said...

UAP, dang it!

carol said...

Micki, just saw your last post on the previous thread. It didn't motivate me. I didn't vote. I'm too mad at the whole thing. Heck with it.

Gerald said...

Dr. King's final refusal to give up

Fr. John Dear is scheduled to be sentence to jail on January 24, 2008 for demonstrating against the Iraq war. Peace demonstrators get jail time and crooks get presidential pardons. Only in Nazi America!!! Say a prayer for him and the lost soul of Nazi America!!!

Gerald said...

The final refusal to give up. As we begin this difficult election year, with its news of war, torture, genocide, global warming, starvation, nuclear weapons, civil rights violations, corrupt politicians, corporate greed, and media propaganda, we need to dig deep for that same hope -- the hope that touches the edge of despair, the hope of Jesus on the cross, the hope of Dr. King on the road to Memphis and D.C. -- the hope that refuses to give up.

Gerald said...

Each year I take time to meditate on the life and teachings of Dr. King, and this year, I've been pondering his struggle with hope and despair. I think true hope -- the hope of Jesus on the cross, the hope that springs only from rock bottom hopelessness -- comes when we dare resist the worst evils the world can muster, ultimately, the power of death itself. So true hope touches the edge of despair but refuses to give in, knowing that life has the slight edge, that death does not get the last word, that resurrection, with all its glorious social, economic and political implications, will win out.

To be authentic, hope has to be costly, not cheap, to paraphrase Bonhoeffer; just as faith, love and nonviolence need to be costly, not cheap. King bore a costly hope, the hope that dared see beyond racism, poverty, the Vietnam war, nuclear weapons, even the American empire, beyond to the coming of God's reign of nonviolence here on earth.

Gerald said...

“A Very Sweet 16”

Alexa Coughenour gave away all of the gifts that she received for her Sweet 16 birthday party – even though she specifically requested what she wanted on her invitations and got exactly what she asked for. Her request: donations of money and canned goods for the needy in her community.

“I just thought, I’m turning 16 and that’s a pretty big thing, and I could do something different to help others,” she said.

Her good deed resulted in a $300 check that she donated to the Jubilee Soup Kitchen in Pittsburgh on Martin Luther King Day.

“The best way to honor Dr. King is to have young people become conscious of the needs of the poor, and she’s certainly done this,” said Sister Liguori Rossner, executive director of the soup kitchen.

We all have the power to help others. What can you do to make a difference in someone’s life today?

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchreae, so that you may welcome her in the Lord. (Romans 16:1-2)

Support women and men in their passion to serve You and Your daughters and sons in need, Holy Spirit.

Gerald said...

Praying Each Day: January 15

Gerald said...

As I observe the United States of Evil, I see a soul that is rotting away through her evil ways. - Gerald

Gerald said...

To paraphrase some words from the spiritual advisor in my confession, while visiting our son, America will continue to receive pain and suffering until she repents.

Nazi America must repent from her evil ways, actions deeds, and behavior.

David B. Benson said...

The Jomon jin lived in Japan and along the Amur River starting about 15,000 years ago until about 2,300 years ago, the end of Jomon culture. Even at the earliest times, the Jomon jin made pottery, being semi-settled proto-agriculturalists. Besides wild millet, they also ate acorns. Beer can be brewed from either.

So while there is no evidence of such brewing can you really believe that the Jomon jin were teetotalers?

Gerald said...

In the months before Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, as he planned the "Poor People's Campaign" and spoke out against the U.S. war in Vietnam, he plunged into despair. He spent his last birthday, 40 years ago this week, in staff meetings, trying to convince them why they had to bring disenfranchised, low-income people to Washington, D.C. and shut it down."

"After we get there," he said, "we'll call the peace movement in, and try to close down the Pentagon. I don't know what Jesus had as his demands other than 'Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.' My demand is 'Repent, America.' We live in a sick, neurotic nation, but this campaign is based upon hope. Hope," he concluded, "is the final refusal to give up."

Gerald said...

Air Pollution Causes and Effects

An article by our son was recently written.

David B. Benson said...

Start date not early enough: Jomon pottery now dated back to 16,000 years ago, many millennia earlier than in the Middle East.

DEN said...

Doc, received a laser level from your facilities guy up there today from Rick for repair.

Guess you guys were off level a bit.

David B. Benson said...

Den --- ???


DEN said...

Laser levels are used in construction work in conjunction with a detector to set the level on concrete foundations.

By setting the laser on a tripod and allowing it to rotate and using the detector on a 2X2 stick all points within the laser radius will be the same height.

One model of the brand we sell and I service.

Carey said...

Well, I signed that petition. May be too late.

Carey said...

Interesting tidbits on the Jormon jin. I'm sure they were not teetotalers too.


Thank you to your son for his article on pollution. It is well done.

©¿©¬ said...

Prediction MI Primary

D - Obama
R - McCain

David B. Benson said...

Den --- Thanks. All is now clear.

Are video camera tripods also 1.5 m (5 feet) tall?

DEN said...

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. with Jay Inslee talking about Global warming and new energy initiatives

Good vid!

DEN said...

Doc, not sure about video tripods, mounting bolt for laser is 5/8" X 11 thread which is considerably larger than the little hand held vid camera mounts, commercial ones are bigger, Quickset.com has those.

DEN said...

Time to go play in traffic.

lasers are safe in bed.

micki said...

Prediction MI Primary

D - Obama
R - McCain

Carol, I don't get it. How can Obama "win" the Michigan primary when he took his name off the ballot and write-ins are not allowed?

A person can vote "uncommitted" on the Dem ballot, but cannot write-in Obama or Edwards. (Edwards had his name deleted, too, over the ruckus there.)

If uncommitted "wins" -- those could be Edwards' supporters, too, or who knows?

David B. Benson said...

Den --- Thanks. The quickset.com tripods appear to be quite good (probably expen$ive) and with adjustable height.

micki said...

Gerald -- thnx for posting Tom's article!

micki said...

Den -- did you notice in that video that Congressman Inslee refers to bu$h as "that person in the White House?"

You're right, interesting video!

DEN said...

Doc, Quickset is quality but expensive, I use the crankup column for my calibration range and there are many adapters for the mounting.

A survey tripod is cheaper $100 or less just need to adapt your own mounting, not stable on smooth floors, mainly for dirt.

DEN said...

Micki, I like both those guys, they are SMART, rare commodity nowadays.

The World seems to be dominated by dumbasses right now, what a good education could do for folks.

When does one decide they have learned enough.

globol warming will get you said...

One of the four horsemen is loose:

Plague a growing threat

©¿©¬ said...

I based the Obama/McCain on a poll. It was worded IF all the Dems were on the ballot, how would you vote?

I guess that wasn't a prediction then. Sorry.

Gerald said...

The potential effects of global warming

Tom, at this time does not have an email address.

micki said...

"We should not overlook the fact that plague has been weaponized throughout history, from catapulting corpses over city walls, to dropping infected fleas from airplanes, to refined modern aerosol formulation," the researchers wrote.

Dropping infected fleas from airplanes?

I've never heard of that! What!

micki said...

Carol -- no prob. That thing in Michigan is so convoluted (and confusing) that I wondered if you had some "inside" info! :-))

David B. Benson said...

Beer without hops is possible: millet beer, acorn beer, oat beer(?), honey beer (mead), even wheat beer.

Around here the farmers are planting nothing but soft white winter wheat (oriental noodle wheat). I suppose that would make some sort of beer, even if not very good...

micki said...

Today, the FDA lifted a ban on selling meat and dairy products coming from cloned animals.

Genetically speaking, meat eaters could eat burgers from the same cow for years.

There are no labeling requirements to say that it is cloned meat. Ick.

Is there protein in beer? I'd rather drink mediocre beer, than eat mystery meat.

Hajji said...


There is more protein in beer than in milk. What's more, beer has fewer calories than apple juice, milk or cola and contains neither fat nor cholesterol. These claims have been made by the All India
Brewer's Association

Beer better than Milk


Hops are used to FLAVOR beer.

Grains are used for their sugars, which are boiled out of them, flavored and then yeast is pitched when cool enough and begins to do the whole "eat sugar, shit eTOH" magic thing.


Hajji said...



{ò,ó} said...

I saw that about the cloned cows.

I read recently where milk companies (in PA?) can't put on their labels that their milk contains NO hormones, or contains no something. They ruled in favor of keeping people in the dark! This country is SOOOO fucked.

{ò,ó} said...

So much for the poll. Romney won MI. Blech. I can't STAND to look at him! I would have to kill myself if he won in November. FAT CHANCE!

DEN said...

Gerald, Looks like your son has done his homework, detailed understandable information pertaining to the peril we face, you must be very proud of him.

Good job there Pops!

DEN said...

Milk is for cereal, beer is for everything else.

{ò,ó} said...

Democratic presidential primary results

Last updated at 10:19 p.m.
3,431 of 5,385 precincts - 64percent

x-Hillary Clinton 200,490 - 58 percent

Uncommitted 127,061 - 37 percent

Dennis Kucinich 14,160 - 4 percent

Chris Dodd 2,434 - 1 percent

Mike Gravel 1,552 - 0 percent

{ò,ó} said...

Republican presidential primary results

Last updated at 10:19 p.m.
3,393 of 5,385 precincts - 63 percent

x-Mitt Romney 229,576 - 39 percent

John McCain 176,501 - 30 percent

Mike Huckabee 94,526 - 16 percent

Ron Paul 37,450 - 6 percent

Fred Thompson 21,835 - 4 percent

Rudy Giuliani 16,522 - 3 percent

Uncommitted 11,569 - 2 percent

Duncan Hunter 1,922 - 0 percent

Tom Tancredo 306 - 0 percent

Sam Brownback 264 - 0 percent

micki said...

Looks like Julie Annie's prostate cancer or a headache will flare up again and take him out of the race.

micki said...

Well, Hajji, I drink nonfat milk. I don't drink colas. I LOVE Trader Joe's unfiltered organic apple juice. Hmmmmmm...but beer is looking pretty darned good.

Bottoms up!

micki said...

If 37% of the uncommitted is distributed to more than one candidate, then it looks like Hillary won Michigan in a *landslide* with 58% of the vote.

Even though it doesn't count.


Or perhaps, Michiganders figured that Hillary had the balls to remain on the ballot and give them a voice/choice.

Whatever, again.

micki said...

It's snowing here in B'ham.

The prediction was no precipitation.

Carol, see...political and weather predictions are, well, unpredictable.

Carey said...

When does one decide they have learned enough.

It doesn't happen, it's impossible.
I tell Brandon all the time, never stop your desire to learn.

David's thinking ahead about what to do when supplies slim. That's practical. We should all be doing that I guess.

How wonderfully peaceful to hear it's snowing in Bellingham, Micksters.