Wednesday, January 16, 2008

Manipulatorism


Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich was missing from the stage at last night’s Democratic debate hosted by MSNBC in Las Vegas after he lost a last-minute legal fight with the network over his participation. Last week, NBC told Kucinich that he had met the criteria for the debate. Then, less than two days later, the network changed the criteria and declared that Kucinich was no longer qualified. On Monday, a Nevada judge ordered NBC to include Kucinich but then NBC appealed the ruling and actively fought to keep him off the stage. On Tuesday night, less than an hour before the debate, the Nevada Supreme Court sided with NBC. Democracy Now! decided to break the sound barrier and give Kucinich a chance to take part. In an exclusive broadcast, we re-braodcast excerpts of the debate and give the Ohio Congressman a chance to answer the questions he might have faced if he hadn’t been been silenced.

We turn now to the Democratic debate held last night in Nevada where Senators Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Edwards sparred for two hours on MSNBC.

Missing from the stage was Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich who lost a last-minute legal fight with NBC over his inclusion in the debate. Kucinich had sued the network after it disinvited him from participating.

On Jan. 9, NBC told Kucinich that he had met the criteria for the debate. Then, less than two days later, NBC changed the criteria and declared that Kucinich no longer qualified.

On Monday, a Nevada judge ordered NBC to include Kucinich but then NBC appealed the ruling and actively fought to keep him off the stage.

On Tuesday night, less than an hour before the debate, the Nevada Supreme Court sided with NBC.

In court filings, NBC painted itself as the victim. Attorneys for the network wrote, “Mr. Kucinich’s claim is nothing more than an illegitimate private cause of action designed to impose an equal access requirement that entirely undermines the wide journalistic freedoms enjoyed by news organizations under the First Amendment.”

Attorneys for NBC also argued, “A television station does not have to grant unlimited access to a candidate debate. If anyone’s First Amendment rights are being infringed, they are MSNBC’s.”

In his lawsuit, Kucinich argued NBC – which is owed by General Electric – illegally shut him out of the debate because of his views.

The lawsuit states, “The exclusion of Kucinich undermines the purposes of the Federal Communications Act and is a blatant violation of the Act because of the media’s obligation to operate in the public interest… NBC revised its criteria to specifically exclude the diverse and anti-war voice of Kucinich and his grass-roots supporters.”

The lawsuit went on to say “The debate is not a true presidential primary debate without including all credible candidates, but instead is effectively an endorsement of the candidates selected by NBC.”

Today, Congressman Dennis Kucinich joins us in Washington. We have decided to give him a chance to take part in last night’s debate in our own way. We will play excerpts of the debate and give the Ohio Congressman a chance to answer the questions he might faced if he hadn’t been been silenced. This is the debate NBC and General Electric didn’t want you to hear. Dennis Kucinich, welcome to Democracy Now.

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MSNBC is no better than the corporation that controls it.

Hill and O have been chosen to be the Democratic front runners, not by the will of the people but the will of the corporation, GE. There is method to their madness which I believe is readily apparent, they feed at the Government trough along with Halliburton, Lockheed, and the rest, make no mistake, these people work for the Bush-Cheney crew and their efforts to clean out the Federal coffers at the taxpayers expense.

Hill and O have been chosen to go up against the Rethugs because of their minority status, to level the playing field against the Rethug candidates. If they were two white men they would pose a greater threat to the corporate plan at vote manipulation with the electronic voting machines and whatever dirty tricks they can muster. Take the example of John Edwards an invisible candidate and chosen to be so by the Media in order to promote the less electables instead.

Closet racism is alive and well in this country and so is the womens rights issue.
Their chance of being elected is right around the 50% mark which incidentally allowed the doofus-N-chief to snag his seat.

Kucinich is right to challenge GE and MSNBC and I hope it reveals the real reason that Hill and O are being so heavily promoted.

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60 comments:

Carey said...

1) "Climate change" was mentioned ONE time last night by one candidate, Hillary, on the nuclear issues.

Once.

I think, not sure on that.

2)It's snowing in Bellingham.

3)The real victim of corporate media is Edwards. He is not being talked about period.

Good morning. I'm gonna kick a dog to the curb this day. No. Just icky people.

Carey said...

I read this following link late last night and thought the women of the blog would really enjoy this. Actually, it's an excellent analysis of what women want in a candidate, one which the men of DWF would even find interesting.

The Correct Hillary Clinton Stereotype

Alan said...

Today's topic was surprising, Den. Just a day or so ago, he was a "pipsqueak". ??

micki said...

Alan, I called him a pipsqueak here first.

And I won't retract that opinion, even though I give DK credit for tenacity and ballz.

Perhaps, Den was sort of, kind of mocking my opinion of DK? All's fair in love and blogging. :-))

If I have the time (and the inclination), I might write about how Amy Goodman does NOT have all her ducks in order on her position on this subject of excluding DK from the debate.

Carey said...

Interesting Micki, I just heard Kucinich on Ed Schultz. I've only skimmed Den's intro, because I'm in a terrible rush.

Kucinich has a valid point, we know that. He's directing his verve at GE and by extension, MSNBC. Kucinich felt that GE and nuclear issues have something to do with this whole thing. Corps and media manipulation in other words.

Still, I'm having some deeper problems with Kucinich, I expect the same as Micki. I suddenly don't know where he's truly coming from. I suppose those feelings could melt away, I don't know. He's definitely bothering me right now.

Gerald said...

I want to borrow a statement from jim Hightower regarding Hitler Bush and all his endeavors, misadventures, and policies.

"You can put earrings on a hog, but it won't hide the ugliness." -- Jim Hightower

DEN, our son, Tom, is a good person. He has concern for people and our planet.

Gerald said...

Whenever I read The Christophers Three Minute Messages, I realize how far I really am from being a true Christian.

Faith Making a Difference

“Lucious’ faith has taught me that when you pray and put God in your life, there’s no limit to what you can do,” said Pete Molloy about his friend Lucious Newsom, 90.

A retired Baptist minister turned Catholic, Newsom dreamed of opening “Anna’s House” in Indianapolis as a beacon of hope; a place where food, education, medical and dental care could be provided. He chose the name Anna in honor of Molloy’s young daughter. She helped feed the poor from her wheelchair.

Whenever Newsom helped others, he saw gratitude on their faces and liked the feeling. His spirit inspired others to contribute. “They said, ‘I’ll pay for the siding. I’ll pay for the plumbing. I’ll pay for this and that.’ It’s more than what I hoped for.”

Newsom wants to make a positive difference in the lives of those he meets for as long as possible. What a wonderful goal!

Tobit . . . performed many acts of charity. (Tobit 1:3)

May others’ example inspire me to deeds of charity, Lord of Life.

Gerald said...

The correct Hillary Clinton stereotype

Forget the 'mommy' image. Female voters see bedrock competence.

By Susan Faludi

This is a very good article. Men and the media may fear most is the word competence. Hillary is a competent woman.

I find myself seeing Nazi American men more like Muslim men who fear an educated woman and their deadly fear is that of a competent woman. Sad, very sad!

DEN said...

Micki, I was not mocking you, he is not my favorite but he does have a valid point about MSNBC/GE.

He had been approved to appear then for some unexplained reason, given the boot, I suspect someone axed him for the reasons I have stated.

Why would they go to the Nevada SC to get him positively booted?

What are they afraid of? TRUTH!!!!

Certain candidates are being selected because they provide less of a challenge for the Rethugs.

The people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, ever so oblivious to the reasoning behind it.

Vote Edwards, not someone that can only get 50% of the vote, do not be fooled by the neo-fascists, they hate him and I suspect there will be some reason to exclude him in the near future, wait and see.

Dirty tricks-O-Plenty!

Gerald said...

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THEIR TOYS.

MEN LOVE WARS, TORTURE, AND EXPENSIVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. I MUST ALSO ADD SECURITY AND SOCCER MOMS TO THIS GROUP OF MEN.

DEN said...

Keith Olbermann has a show to give an air of leftness to MSNBC, without him they would be another FAUX News network. Remember Dana "The Bonesman" Milbank? Their news has a major Reich slant, but seeded with enough "left" stuff to make them seem legitimate.

Do not trust them!

Evil neo-fascist corporatistas!

Gerald said...

My wish for America and all our world is "KUNG HAY FAT CHOY."

Praying Each Day: January 16

Gerald said...

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.
– James Madison

This is the true Nazi American plan for its citizens.

Gerald said...

The Side Effects of War with Afghanistan

Gerald said...

This is Hitler Bush's eventual strategy as the War President!!!

In statecraft as in war, side effects can prove fatal. If Pakistan collapses, turning into another stateless happy hunting ground for al-Qaeda and numberless other Islamic 4GW organizations, our position in Afghanistan will quickly become unsustainable. Our grand strategic position in the whole Middle Eastern/Southwest Asian region will be reduced to a two-legged stool, not the most stable of platforms. Osama in his cave will be distinctly more comfortable than W. in the Oval Office.

How will the Bush administration respond to such a cascade of unfortunate events? By doing what it plans to do anyway: bomb Iran.

YES, BOMB IRAN!!!!!

Gerald said...

I am shocked, very shocked!!!!!

Hitler Bush's Broken Promises

Gerald said...

Quotable
Peace...is the product of Faith, Strength, Energy, Will, Sympathy, Justice, Imagination, and the triumph of principle.
– Dorothy Thompson

Gerald said...

From the Hell of Iraq to the Hell of Nazi America!

Gerald said...

Quotable
Military glory--that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood--that serpent's eye, that charms to destroy...
– Abraham Lincoln

Gerald said...

Middle East: A military option?
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD

As President Bush's tour of the Middle East continues, its central theme takes shape: presenting Iran as a threat to the region.

Canada's National Post reported on Monday that despite the fact that U.S. military commanders and strategists aren't keen on attacking Iran, Israel's ambassador to the U.S., who was in Israel for Bush's visit, said that the military option is still on the table.

The paper also reported that the main reason for Bush's visit to the region "was to gauge how much diplomatic support and practical help the desert sheikdoms might give if the United States or Israel attacked Iran." The trouble with Bush's anti-Iran rhetoric is that it doesn't hold water with Arab states. As Shibley Telhami, the Anwar Sadat professor for peace and development at the University of Maryland, pointed out in a Sunday interview on NPR's "All Things Considered," most Arabs don't see Iran as a major threat.

He mentioned that polls done in the region asking which two countries were seen as threats to Arab states indicate that 80 percent said they viewed Israel and the U.S. as the greatest threats. Only 10 percent mentioned Iran.

Telhami believes it's the American, not the Arab public to whom Bush is targeting his message.

If Bush is serious about wanting peace in the Middle East, he needs to stop banging the war drums during his visit.

Continuing to do so is a distraction from his stated mission of helping facilitate the peaceful creation of neighboring Palestinian and Israeli states and further damages his -- and this country's -- credibility.

Gerald said...

McCain Owns the Iraq War

Gerald said...

My wife has just reminded me of a lot of helicopters flying around here.

Will our door be kicked in and I am hauled away to some torture chamber???

Gerald said...

THERE WILL BE WAR WITH IRAN SO HITLER BUSH CAN DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND CANCEL THE 2008 ELECTIONS!!!!!!!!!!

Gerald said...

HITLER BUSH HAS NO PLANS OF LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!

Gerald said...

He is only a thug

Gerald said...

Lost amid the celebration over Mitt Romney's win in the Michigan primary on Tuesday night was an equally noteworthy electoral result. Rudy Giuliani, the one-time frontrunner for the Republican nomination, placed sixth in the state. The three percent of the vote he received was just one point higher than that cast for "uncommitted." Even more remarkable, this was the second time in three primary elections that the former New York City mayor ended up behind five of his GOP competitors -- including Ron Paul.

Gerald said...

Pax Christi USA

While you are proclaiming peace with your lips, be careful to have it even more fully in your heart. – St. Francis of Assisi

Seek Peace and Pursue It!

Anyone seeing the unrelenting images of chaos in Iraq is filled with a longing for peace and an end to the war. The critical question is who is pursuing it? We have to work for it, pursue it without hesitation and with all our hearts.

The pursuit of peace requires solid leadership. Scripture tell us, “Where there is no vision, the people will perish.” We live in a historical moment that is solely lacking in clear vision. Global warming, endless war in Iraq, rampant racism, a fortress approach to our borders, a growing chasm between the rich and the poor, children without healthcare, retirees fleeced by corporate greed – our political institutions are not producing the leadership necessary to make the fundamental changes in our behavior and systems to address the many challenges that devalue life and deny peace.

As people of the Word, we know our engagement is with the powers and principalities, with those forces whose vested interests reap great profit from the status quo, who, rather than seeking peace and pursuing it, seek domination and impose it.

The pursuit of peace is a narrow path. It is a path prepared by the commitment to personal and social transformation. It is a path guided by the Gospel truth of nonviolence as the call to right relationship. And it is a path animated by a willingness to take up the cross and follow the One who calls us to a deeper discipleship, the nonviolent Christ.

We must always follow the nonviolent Christ for a lasting peace.

Gerald said...

I LOVE THE UNITED STATES OF EVIL!!!!!!!!!!

What is there not to love about our evil country and her pursuit of endless wars?????

Gerald said...

A Planted False Story

Gerald said...

Published on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 by The Bangor Daily News (Maine)

Bush’s Legacy in the Making
by Pat LaMarche

So George Bush wants a legacy. Maybe precipitous economic decline, the widest gulf between the poor and the rich since the Great Depression and war without end don’t feel like a legacy to him. But his term as president didn’t just involve destroying our economy and waging unwinnable wars. None of that would have been possible without rampant corruption, a Congress that resembles a National Geographic special on jelly fish, and lots and lots of secrecy.No if there’s one thing this administration has: it’s legacy.

In fact as Bush and Cheney near the end of their second term I’m encouraged by of one of my mother’s favorite sayings, “It’s like beating yourself in the head, ‘cause it feels so good when you stop.”

So what’s this rush to fix the Israeli-Palestinian problem all about?

Well it’s still about Bush’s legacy; but it’s about some how getting a good one.

Have you ever been to a neighborhood block party when all of a sudden the guy shows up that everyone knows beats his wife and kids and bullies the folks around him? Oh sure, the hostess is polite and offers him iced-tea and deviled eggs. But you take a step back and hope he doesn’t come over and start talking to you.

No one respects him at the party. They speak viciously behind his back. But they let him think he’s welcome because it’s safer than telling him not to come.

Before you intellectually or viscerally rush to defend the president of the United States from the comparison to a child abuser let me remind you of a few things. I won’t focus on the obvious - his veto of the children’s healthcare bill.

No, let’s start with his abandonment of the weakest among us; his failure to protect us, our families and the law enforcement professionals that serve as first responders against domestic violence.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee explained it succinctly, “The Bush Administration’s proposed budget for Fiscal Year 2007 … calls for deep cuts in crime-prevention programs that state and local police and sheriff’s departments have long relied upon, including key Justice Department efforts such as Byrne Grants, the Crime Victims Fund, the Bulletproof Vest Partnership Act and the Violence Against Women Act Programs.”

Need more evidence? How full is your oil tank? Physicians across the country like Dr. Joanne Cox, associate chief of general pediatrics division at Children’s Hospital in Boston, are cautioning against keeping houses with children in them too cold. There is great concern for homes with infants because “wrapping a baby in heavy blankets or clothing at night is generally considered unsafe because it raises the chances of suffocation.”

Parents choosing between heating their homes and buying medicine and food are on the rise: Search the GateHouse News Service online and you can read all about it. Especially troubling is the story about the Quincy, Mass., mom who’s doctors have told her to make every sacrifice possible to keep her 4-month-old baby warm because he is having trouble growing and gaining weight. And for those of you who think it’s all about her living off the government, you’re right. She’s on a meager fixed government paycheck that she can’t do anything about right now because her husband is away … serving in Iraq.

And of course you’ve seen the new numbers released by the Institute of Medicine Analysis on the Impact of Uninsurance on Mortality - yep, 22,000 people die each year in the United States because they lack access to health care. That’s up from 18,000 in 2002.

The president is watching his self proclaimed terrorism fighting legacy collapse too. He’s increasingly known as the world’s bully - not the world’s defender - and his partners keep falling away.

Poland, one of the largest coalition members remaining, elected a new prime minister who promised to withdraw troops from Iraq in 2008. Now he’s informed the administration that they’ve also postponed Bush’s missile program - indefinitely.

So our president has decided to turn his attention to the problems between the Israelis and the Palestinians. He’ll gain entree by promising them money and protection: increasing your grandchildren’s debt.

I hope he likes iced-tea and deviled eggs.

Pat LaMarche of Yarmouth, Maine is the author of “Left Out In America: The State of Homelessness in the United States.”

Gerald said...

More Evidence of Nazi America's Evil Ways, Actions, Deeds, and Behaviors

micki said...

ABOUT THE PIPSQUEAK

Regardless of what we might think of the media, they don’t necessarily have a nefarious, anti-democratic agenda in mind when they make certain decisions.

It is my opinion that NBC and MSNBC did exactly the right thing in taking their appeal to the Nevada Supreme Court. Dennis Kucinich’s suit was self-serving, and the lower court’s ruling would have resulted in more of a negative impact on the public interest, than his exclusion from the debate would have.

One thing in all this brouhaha that has been overlooked, is that Kucinich’s suit demanded that if he could not participate, then NBC could not air the debate at all. The lower court agreed to that demand. And he claims to want more voices heard?!

Kucinich’s demand and the lower courts agreement is, to me, a brazen violation of a news organization’s First Amendment right. Just because some of us cheer for a certain outcome, it doesn’t mean we are on the right side of the law, or of fairness.

I, for one, do not want courts telling news organizations what they can, or cannot air as a part of their news and public affairs programming That’s a dangerous precedent. We should be glad that NBC took it to the Nevada Supreme Court, for this reason alone.

Also, Congress has (at least in the past, knock on wood) consistently rejected any attempts to impose upon broadcasters a common carrier “right of access” to any, or all, persons wishing to speak out on public issues. The reality is, Dennis Kucinich is NOT a viable candidate for president of the United States -- and that lack of viability cannot be blamed on the media. Sure, they certainly play a role in providing exposure, but it gets wearisome when claims are made that it’s all the media’s fault if a candidate doesn’t catch on with large segments of the electorate.

Furthermore, Kucinich’s complaint should have been taken first to the FCC. (I know, I know -- the FCC is a Repug-dominated tool at this point in time.) But, Kucinich, as an elected lawmaker, should follow the rules that have been set. He didn’t -- he sought relief for his complaint from the courts. He disregarded simple legalities, too, in his complaint -- his suit was primarily based on a breach of contract on NBC’s part. There was no contract, in any way whatsoever. Just because he was initially invited to be a participant in the debate, there was no “contract” involved -- that’s sheer silliness. He should know better.

Well, anyway....I could go on about this. But, I’ll stop. Kucinich was out of line. And I’m “relieved” that he didn’t get his way in the courts on his flimsy claims because, if he had, the precedent would have been set for much mischief to be made by people we REALLY HAVE TO FEAR.

DEN said...

One more thing, MSNBC set out requirements for attendance, he satisfied those requirements and was accepted to the debate, they changed their minds without explanation, the onus lies with MSNBC NOT DK.

micki said...

Den...not quite as you portray it.

When the initial criteria were developed (as of 12/27-07) by the hosts of the debate and the Democratic Party poobahs in Nevada, the criteria were, that a candidate:

1) finish 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in either Iowa or New Hampshire; or

2) to be included in the top four in one of six credible random-sample telephone national news media polls conducted since the Iowa cacuses.

Kucinich didn't qualify under the 1st requirement. Under the 2nd requirement, I admit, there was some wiggle-room, but MSNBC was completely within good faith editorial judgement to exclude him on the basis of the criteria.

Shortly after the Iowa caucus, Kucinich got 3% of those surveyed in a Gallup/ABC poll, which because Biden and Dodd dropped out, placed Kucinich (theoretically) in the 4th place slot. Bill Richardson, in the same poll got 1% of those surveyed.

Because the margin of error in that poll was +/- 3%, it was inconclusive who was the 4th place finisher (after Biden and Dodd dropped out).

So, I think Kucinich's argument that he was excluded on any basis -- but especially on breach of contract is ridiculous.

Everyone loves to hate the media. But, they are NOT always the meanies.

David B. Benson said...

Brrr.

Canadians exported some cold air last night.

Chatter, chatter.

Teeth...

Carey said...

What to make of MSNBC?

Honest to God, I couldn't tell you except that it's a corp. Tim Rutten felt that cable news channels were lining up taking sides because of the prevalence of Faux. Yes, absolutely Den. The people Keith has on, like Milbank, some of them must be taken with a grain of salt.

Milbank, it should be known, contributed and lead something or other for Bush in 2000. Uh-huh, he did--you're right Den. He's also a fairly funny gag man for Olbermann.

Carey said...

It is my opinion that NBC and MSNBC did exactly the right thing in taking their appeal to the Nevada Supreme Court.

I agree. Once I heard Olbermann and, more importantly, Chuck Todd, discuss MSNBC's position, I leaned toward them.

Dennis has been acting weird lately. Not so steady, is he? Motivations begin to be questioned.

micki said...

I am going to repeat a part of my post, from above, because this part of it is VERY IMPORTANT to all of us:

I, for one, do not want courts telling news organizations what they can, or cannot air as a part of their news and public affairs programming That’s a dangerous precedent. We should be glad that NBC took it to the Nevada Supreme Court, for this reason alone.

micki said...

The lower court was wrong.

micki said...

Okay, think about this: Since Kucinich's suit was primarily focused on breach of contract, he claimed that NBC broke the contract of the invitation....

First of all, there is no implied "contract" in an invitation -- whether it's inviting a politician to participate in a debate or to inviting a supporter to a politicial fundraiser.

But, I digress.

So, if NBC allegedly was in breach of contract by withdrawing the invitation (in essence), as Kucinich claimed, then how would you feel if NBC had sued Kucinich if he had decided to "break the contract" and not participate in the debate?

Gerald said...

I was watching CNN and the roundtable had Crowley, Cafferty, and Bernstein. Cafferty said that the candidates need to talk about real issues and not about gay marriages, put God back into the pledging of the flag, etc. We have real problems and we need to know what these candidates will do. Bernstein agreed but he went even further. He said that Hillary seems to have a strong economic message and he also said that we need to really know these candidates beyond public service. Who really are these people? We all know who Hillary is and her personal life. Maybe we should know something about these candidates and their personal lives. I cannot prove it but I believe Bernstein was in a round about way saying we voted for Bush and we knew little of his personal life.

Looking back at Bush and his personal life we would realize that he has been and is a total screw up all his life. Plus, he really is a stupid person who had his father bail him out of all kinds of problems and troubles.

micki said...

Oh. I'm onto something else now...

GEORGE CARLIN'S NEW RULES FOR 2008

New Rule: No more gift registries. You know, it used to be just for weddings. Now it's for babies and new homes and graduations from rehab. Picking out the stuff you want and having other people buy it for you isn't gift giving, it's the white people version of looting.

 
New Rule: Stop giving me that pop-up ad for classmates.com ! There's a reason you don't talk to people for 25 years. Because you don't
particularly like them! Besides, I already know what the captain of the football team is doing these days --- mowing my lawn.

New Rule: If you need to shave and you still collect baseball cards, you're a dope. If you're a kid, the cards are keep sakes of your idols. If you're a grown man, they're pictures of men.

New Rule: When I ask how old your toddler is, I don't need to hear '27 months.' 'He's two' will do just fine. He's not a cheese. And I didn't really care in the first place.

New Rule: If you ever hope to be a credible adult and want a job that pays better than minimum wage, then for God's sake don't pierce or tattoo every available piece of flesh. If so, then plan your future around saying, 'Do you want fries with that?'

David B. Benson said...

Micki --- Yup.

DEN said...

"I, for one, do not want courts telling news organizations what they can, or cannot air as a part of their news and public affairs programming That’s a dangerous precedent. We should be glad that NBC took it to the Nevada Supreme Court, for this reason alone."

I agree, I myself do not like being told what to do.

However if you are a BIG government contractor you will kiss the governments ass to keep those contracts, and if it means toning down a TV production, they will comply.

Some media cannot be counted on to produce UN-BIASED reports, they are one of them beholding to the government.

That being said there was no reason to ratchet up the legal moves on either parties part, none of which would have been necessary if he would have been let on as planned.
MSNBC has every right too chose who to have on, thats where in is the rub, we used to call them "Indian Givers" when we were kids, not meaning to disparage any Indians of course, except maybe the Cleveland
Indians.

The Lord Media giveth,

then taketh away.

David B. Benson said...

What is permitted behavior?

ACLU says Larry Craig was wronged

DEN said...

Question is, what do you tell your 10 year old son when moaning noises can be heard plainly, would that be free speech in action?

out of beer said...

Is moaning symbolic speech?

Carey said...

Yees David. Isn't that hilarious about the ACLU and Larry Craig? I find that just funnnnny.

But actually Den, that was my first thought, your very question. What would you have us do then ACLU, let the sex go on unabated?

I haven't really had the chance to look at the total legal aspects of the MSNBC/Kucinich deal. I leaned toward MSNBC because, at this point, I thought it would be better for Edwards and the nation. Obviously with complete personal bias.

My brother would be proud of your legal reasoning abilities, Michaelyn.

DEN said...

Reich leaning GE campaign donations, changes with the incumbent party.

AT&T are real good kiss asses.

DEN said...

Checkout the top all time doners and their leanings and you will see reich away who has the most control right now, BIG OIL,BIG PHARMA, and transportaion and defense contractors.

DEN said...

Pitiful grammar however.

DEN said...

Pipsqueaks, perverts and politics, what a day here at DWF.

Carey on!

Carey said...

When you glance at those kinds of numbers Den, you wonder, can anything stop this train wreck called capitalism?

Implosion city.

Carey said...

8:17pm--first political campaign call from Ron Paul.

micki said...

I would say that moaning is not an expression of symbolic speech.

However, if the moaning took place in concert with burning a draft card, in a public place, that caused imminent lawless action, and violated a constitutionally protected message, then the moaners should be given a chance to state their case on "Law & Order," Oprah, or a reality TeeVee show.

Throw 'em out of the men's room, one by one. Vote 'em out of the stall!

Chop, chop. This is a new TeeVee program in the making!

Are the writers still on strike?

micki said...

8:17pm--first political campaign call from Ron Paul.

Well, you do live in Repug territory!

micki said...

Did y'all know about the Bloomingdale's men's room that was well-known in its heyday?

Two guys in a stall, but one guy would be standing(?) in shopping bags that were placed on either side of the commode to conceal his feet. Of course, they were Bloomie's shopping bags -- otherwise, there might have been some concern, if they were from EJ Korvette or Caldor's.

This is a true story.

I just don't know all of it.

I'm not sure which guy's feet were in the shopping bags.

DEN said...

When you know,

DEN said...

you have a clean face,

DEN said...

it must be Burma Shave

60!