Monday, January 21, 2008


“Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it’s nonviolence or nonexistence. That is where we are today.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.

“Let us rise up tonight with a greater readiness. Let us stand with a greater determination. And let us move on in these powerful days, these days of challenge to make America what it ought to be. We have an opportunity to make America a better nation. And I want to thank God, once more, for allowing me to be here with you.”

Martin Luther King, Jr.

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

A nation that continues year after year
to spend more money on military defense
than on programs of social uplift
is approaching spiritual death.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
but one must take it because it is right.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.



micki said...

Den -- Thank you for the fine tribute to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.


micki said...

Here's another example of why it's important to remember the past...

The New York Times

January 21, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Debunking the Reagan Myth

Historical narratives matter. That’s why conservatives are still writing books denouncing F.D.R. and the New Deal; they understand that the way Americans perceive bygone eras, even eras from the seemingly distant past, affects politics today.

And it’s also why the furor over Barack Obama’s praise for Ronald Reagan is not, as some think, overblown. The fact is that how we talk about the Reagan era still matters immensely for American politics.

Bill Clinton knew that in 1991, when he began his presidential campaign. “The Reagan-Bush years,” he declared, “have exalted private gain over public obligation, special interests over the common good, wealth and fame over work and family. The 1980s ushered in a Gilded Age of greed and selfishness, of irresponsibility and excess, and of neglect.”

Contrast that with Mr. Obama’s recent statement, in an interview with a Nevada newspaper, that Reagan offered a “sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

Maybe Mr. Obama was, as his supporters insist, simply praising Reagan’s political skills. (I think he was trying to curry favor with a conservative editorial board, which did in fact endorse him.) But where in his remarks was the clear declaration that Reaganomics failed?

For it did fail. The Reagan economy was a one-hit wonder. Yes, there was a boom in the mid-1980s, as the economy recovered from a severe recession. But while the rich got much richer, there was little sustained economic improvement for most Americans. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes were barely higher than they had been a decade before — and the poverty rate had actually risen.

When the inevitable recession arrived, people felt betrayed — a sense of betrayal that Mr. Clinton was able to ride into the White House.

Given that reality, what was Mr. Obama talking about? Some good things did eventually happen to the U.S. economy — but not on Reagan’s watch.

For example, I’m not sure what “dynamism” means, but if it means productivity growth, there wasn’t any resurgence in the Reagan years. Eventually productivity did take off — but even the Bush administration’s own Council of Economic Advisers dates the beginning of that takeoff to 1995.

Similarly, if a sense of entrepreneurship means having confidence in the talents of American business leaders, that didn’t happen in the 1980s, when all the business books seemed to have samurai warriors on their covers. Like productivity, American business prestige didn’t stage a comeback until the mid-1990s, when the U.S. began to reassert its technological and economic leadership.

I understand why conservatives want to rewrite history and pretend that these good things happened while a Republican was in office — or claim, implausibly, that the 1981 Reagan tax cut somehow deserves credit for positive economic developments that didn’t happen until 14 or more years had passed. (Does Richard Nixon get credit for “Morning in America”?)

But why would a self-proclaimed progressive say anything that lends credibility to this rewriting of history — particularly right now, when Reaganomics has just failed all over again?

Like Ronald Reagan, President Bush began his term in office with big tax cuts for the rich and promises that the benefits would trickle down to the middle class. Like Reagan, he also began his term with an economic slump, then claimed that the recovery from that slump proved the success of his policies.

And like Reaganomics — but more quickly — Bushonomics has ended in grief. The public mood today is as grim as it was in 1992. Wages are lagging behind inflation. Employment growth in the Bush years has been pathetic compared with job creation in the Clinton era. Even if we don’t have a formal recession — and the odds now are that we will — the optimism of the 1990s has evaporated.

This is, in short, a time when progressives ought to be driving home the idea that the right’s ideas don’t work, and never have.

It’s not just a matter of what happens in the next election. Mr. Clinton won his elections, but — as Mr. Obama correctly pointed out — he didn’t change America’s trajectory the way Reagan did. Why?

Well, I’d say that the great failure of the Clinton administration — more important even than its failure to achieve health care reform, though the two failures were closely related — was the fact that it didn’t change the narrative, a fact demonstrated by the way Republicans are still claiming to be the next Ronald Reagan.

Now progressives have been granted a second chance to argue that Reaganism is fundamentally wrong: once again, the vast majority of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track. But they won’t be able to make that argument if their political leaders, whatever they meant to convey, seem to be saying that Reagan had it right.

hajji said...

I'll be in Anderson, SC the rest of today for a meet 'n greet with Tom Daschle, after an MLK commemoration.

The organizer with the breathless british accent has called.

Dare I rise to her beck?





I just wanted to drop a line about what’s up in this racist, southern, cracker barrel of a state.

During the Repugnant Primaries I-Vote voting machines caused a break-down in the system in Horry County , (think Myrtle Beach ) right out of the gate. People were turned away and told to “come back later” (a clear breech of South Carolina voting laws) when it was discovered there weren’t enough paper ballots to hand out to everyone.

The night before, the voting machines were taken home for a “sleep-over” by the Poll Managers and out of the public view for as much as twelve hours.

While it was reported that all the machines were “up and running 100% by 1pm ” it is known that many of the turned away voters did not return to cast their ballots.

South Carolina voting laws specifically states that the “tallying of votes shall NOT take place” out of the view of the public.

All that said, I have decided to leave my traditional role, driving folks to the polls, to be a certified “Poll Checker” for Saturday’s Democratic Presidential Primaries. I’ll be charged with checking the “zero tapes” on the machines prior to the opening of a nearby Pickens County precinct, observing the voter sign-in and check-off, recording why voters are turned away (if any) and checking the close-out tallies of the machines to record any over- or under-votes compared to the numbers from the check-off lists.

I am fully aware that what happens INSIDE the machine is always questionable.


While I got certified by the Obama campaign, I urge all who share my fear of “Black Box Voting” practices to volunteer to ANY campaign during your primaries and then again in the general elections to be a POLL OBSERVER.

Most state/commonwealth/county election laws allow for observers (training by local election officials as well as many candidates’ programs) who are residents of the county to observe the election process, so long as it doesn’t “interfere with the act of voting”.

Get out, get involved, get COUNTED!


micki said...

Carey, I realize your comment about the domes was in reaction to the inclement weather -- and not actually a goal you have in mind.

But, I was reacting (with Seattle in mind) about "no more" stadiums at taxpayer expense.

Safeco Field in Seattle, which opened in 1999, was built with taxpayer money despite voters' rejection of a tax increase to pay for the stadium four years earlier.

Public financing for Qwest Field, which opened in 2002 as Seahawks Stadium, was very narrowly approved by voters in 1997 despite critics who objected to taxpayer subsidies for the Seahawks and their owner, billionaire Paul Allen. Many people thought Paul Allen could build his own damned stadium! (Think Microsoft.)

Now, it's apparent that public financing for the arts is taking a backseat to sports! Not good!

Carey said...

The tributes to MLK, they make me tear. Always do.

Such a wonderful, wonderful man. Brandon, when he was about five or six, was told the story of the slaves and then of the importance of MLK.

He ran to the edge to the canyon, which is surrounded by houses on all sides, and yelled "Hooray Martin Luther King," "Martin Luther Good is a hero". Over and over and over. I was so dang proud.

That coincides with a story told about me. Materialistic me shouted out over a canyon to a bunch of horseriders. I yelled profoundly, "SHARE, SHARE!!" I had just been taught the lessons of sharing and thought I should proselytize it across the canyon.

Of course I expected something in return.

Martin Luther King, Jr. What a contemplation.

rita rezko said...

Does this make Patrick Fitzgerald the bad guy?

Carey said...


I'm sorry, I knew you were raising a serious issue on taxpayer expense, but by that time I was tired.

Taxpayer expense and local teams--oh what a nightmare.

It's a big NO to these sports teams owners. The NFL has been affected by malignant capitalism. It must be totally streamlined and regulated with the spirit and intent of the law followed. Naturally, that won't happen.

San Diegans have no place to talk about this. The Chargers organization have wrung us dry. My brother, MY BROTHER AND DAD'S SON, won't even discuss the ownership of his childhood team. He won't talk Chargers period. (Dad may very well feel the same way upstairs.) He's been hurt by their legal shenanigans to the core. I'm with him on this.

Bob (bro) wants the NFL and the Charger owners to go away. He's right. He's damn right and so are you, Micki. I fully agree. It's another heist of public money--what Bushco is all about.

That actually is an older issue about the arts and sharing the funds--in most NFL/major sports cities, huge heists are more the name of the game.

Excuse me, didn't get alot of sleep last night, gotta go get some coffee and do chores. But first, I'll read Krugman.

Carey said...

I cannot seem to get my brain working this morn, Micksters. The piece by Krugman, always good.

My inclination, as I've written, is not to read too much into Obama. He is the "fill-in candidate" on purpose.

I don't think we can say enough how historical this is. I think that's how he's written his candidacy. To win as a black man, that's his goal and, of course, on MLK day, what can you say but admire.

That is what Obama is all about. Nothing else for the moment. I'm starting to believe, watching him as we do, that he's a good man,

BUT, Obama is also a brilliant man.

Micki poo, do you realize Winke, Martin and I have somewhat of a dilemma. Who to vote for in two weeks? Where's our Edwards?


This is so neat, your trip! Tom Daschle--OH MY GOD! Your local story is national, by the way. Good going!!!

Carey said...

Well, well, every politician now.

Every single one is tainted. What did you mean, I'm slow this morn, does this make Pat Fitzgerald the bad guy? Cuz he's pursuing this?

By the way, when that name came up, and how's this for focus, I remembered that shining single moment during the Plame scandal. We had heard Rove was under a sealed indictment and it simply slipped away. Do you recall? Do you remember Wayne Madsen's and other's speculation that Fitzgerald had to drop the Rove indictment because of coercion from high up about Osama being on the CIA payroll until 1995. Now I don't remember the details but it was as squalid as they come.

The colors of Bushco--squalid.

Damn good word, my father loved it.

Don't you worry Hajji. I plan on volunteering again. We have alot of volunteers down here. Must be an older city.

Carey said...

I'm staring at the computer screen.

What to think? I left the blog last night with the question, what are we to think?

John Edwards, oh my, I might cry here. I invested heavily for a long time and I don't want to give up.

Eliabeth Edwards. Oh dear, wet eyes.

Carey said...

Loosing the tears to anger now.

Corporations won, Repugs won. Edwards never had a chance.

I 'spect I'll be all over the map the next two weeks--figuring this all out, yet who can?

Will Winke, Den and I not vote for Edwards? Oh, man, I don't think so, shoot. I don't know, this is a little frightening. But then, who?

You know I would heavily lean Obama. I think so, oh, I don't know. I hear you Micki. You don't even have to write what you might say. Still, go ahead.

Gerald said...

Nazi America is a compassionate conservative country because it uses precision bombing to kill people.

Precision Bombing

micki said...

In two months, on March 19th, the 6th year of the war and occupation in Iraq will begin.

Carey said...

Wait--does Washington vote too?

Carey said...

What a lovely date to remember, March 19th.

That happens to be the Westernized birthday of my ex. He could never tell exactly when his birthday was in the Roman calender.

The Chinese have their own everything and it's cool. (Not the Red ones, mind you.) I have told you my ex's name--Tai-gen. It means roots of Taiwan, his family ran from Mao. No, they were not landowners, they were poor. Mostly everyone is except for the growing Chinese middle class.

To get back to the date, Bush is neatly never mentioning Iraq now.

micki said...

Global warming gases have been linked to unstable weather patterns, floods, droughts, and outbreaks of tropical diseases.

Unchecked, global warming will cause rising sea levels, the melting of the polar icecaps, and other environmental problems.

That will the next president do?

Gerald said...

Second Chances

In the autumn of 2006, 46 years after he had been expelled, Rev. James Lawson, a leading scholar on civil disobedience and Gandhi’s nonviolence, returned to teach at VanderbiltUniversity. Lawson had been a Methodist divinity student at the Tennessee university when he was expelled for his involvement in lunch counter sit-ins during the civil rights movement.

In the years since, Vanderbilt had apologized to Lawson, bestowed honors on him and finally invited him to teach. Lawson said he never held a grudge against the school and hadn’t expected the teaching offer. But he will use his position to share his nonviolent beliefs with a new generation.

“It isn’t often that an institution gets the chance to correct a previous error,” said one administrator.

We, too, don’t always get that second chance. Take the opportunity when you can.

Loose the bonds of injustice. (Isaiah 58:6)

Holy Spirit, to whom do I owe an apology? Show me how to ask forgiveness for my mistakes.

micki said...

ooops What will the next president do?

Carey said...

Hey, I wrote that stuff about the Chinese because I just read an interesting article on China and their middle class. It's not going to last, this political subservience to the government. The tango positions won't hold.

You say what, oh, the capitalism has mestatasized?

Yup. That's what unregulated capitalism will do.

Carey said...


Oy vey.

Gerald said...

Is Nazi Israel worse than Nazi Germany

Carey said...

Did you see this Micki from the New York Times service yesterday?

Broken Hearts, Sore Thumbs: Japan's Top Sellers go Cellular

Romance-themed novels written on mobile phones


My Mom always thought I should write Harlequin-type romance novels. It's not in me. Can't stand that crap.

micki said...

Carey --if you mean, does Washington State have a primary, the answer is yes. It's sked this year for February 19th. But, we also have a caucus, which is slated for February 9th.

Back in 1989 (I think it was), The Democratic Party in this state declared that the caucuses were highly restrictive, making it impossible for various citizens to participate, so they decided that they would hold primaries. They used to be in May. Well, gee May, now, the game is practically OVER!

Anyway, the vote in the primaries is largely "ceremonial" (my word) because the delegates chosen in the caucuses generally get seated at the convention.

Make sense?

micki said... could write "Forever Amber" on your cell phone! hahaha

Carey said...

I just realized how that sounded. No, my Mother wasn't encouaging me to write romance novels. She's looking for the bucks. Practicality is the name of the game.

Gerald said...

Reich-wingers can't cover up Iraq's death toll

micki said...

Stock Markets in Europe Plunge 7 Percent -- TNYT

Stocks fell steeply in Europe on Monday after sharp overnight declines in Asia, reacting to fears that an American recession was unavoidable and would crimp global growth. The DAX index in Germany closed off 7.16 percent and the CAC 40
in France lost 6.83 percent. British stocks fared slightly less badly; the FTSE 100 lost 5.48 percent. United States financial markets are closed today; Canadian and Mexican stocks were off sharply at midday.

Carey said...

Yes, it makes sense.

Caucuses, yes. Definitely need a look see, don't they? Las Vegas didn't seem quite the model we're looking for.

Jesus, why Nevada? What an icky state, really. A true caucus in Las Vegas? Pleeeeeeze.

I thought John had a much better chance. I'm still not ready to give up, but........

When it comes down to it, that's the real angst of the day. The loss in Nevada. Really thought it might turn out differently.

Carey said...


Dear, I haven't adjusted to the cell phones yet. Having a real hard time with that. Don't like 'em. They break up too much and for a person with lesser hearing, that's just impossible.

micki said...

Stocks plunge worldwide on fear of US recession

Carey said...

Excuse me, I hsve bad hearing due to illness and ear infections as a child.

Could you imagine writing a novel though texting?

It just makes me cringe.

micki said...

Carey, well, okay then. No bodice rippers from YOUR cell phone!

We have to think of another way for you to create a perfect job!

Carey said...

Fuck, let's just give up food and beer and marijuana. How do we do that?

The's been here, we all know that. 'Cept now, it's more like a crash.

How unexpected.

micki said...

It's sooooooo pretty here today!

The perfect winter day in the PNW!!!!


Over and out.

Carey said...

and I'm putting land on the market.

Talk about oy vey.

Carey said...

I forgot to tell you, the mountain had a huge slip again of land. Small planes and helicopters are overhead ahora.

My real estate prices are lowering as we write. My agent said expect the worst.


Gerald said...

Debunking the Reagan Myth

Krugman is right!!!

Gerald said...

Mr. Obama was, as his supporters insist, simply praising Reagan’s political skills. (I think he was trying to curry favor with a conservative editorial board, which did in fact endorse him.) But where in his remarks was the clear declaration that Reaganomics failed?

For it did fail. The Reagan economy was a one-hit wonder. Yes, there was a boom in the mid-1980s, as the economy recovered from a severe recession. But while the rich got much richer, there was little sustained economic improvement for most Americans. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes were barely higher than they had been a decade before — and the poverty rate had actually risen.

Gerald said...

Obama is becoming a lapdog for the Reaganites.

Gerald said...

Is Obama accepting Nazism as a way of life in Nazi America?

Gerald said...

We are very aware that McCain wants to be the fuhrer. Is Obama seeking such a title as well?

Carey said...

I'm so happy that the day is gorgeous up there.

Carey said...

Now that Micki's gone, let's talk about her.

This is "Blue Monday". Jan. 21st is the bluest day of the year for folks with seasonal affective disorder. Micki, apparently, won't be suffering from that today. Seeing as how the PNW is having a gorgeous day.

I can't come up with anything gossipy about Micki. How about David, then?

Just having fun. Actually, I'm rather excited about Hajji's little jaunt. And now, the time has come, go exercise Carey.

David B. Benson said...

This seems quite sensible:

The Lincoln plan carbon tax

although the wording should be changed to read a tax on fossil carbon...

David B. Benson said...

I don't have SAD anymore. A large part of avoiding it is to go out in the sunshine quite a bit, whenever I can.

As it is summy now, out I go...

Carey said...

No Gerald, I don't believe that's who Obama is.

David B. Benson said...


I don't know what weather state is summy...

Carey said...

The sunshine provides Vit D. Ten minutes a day and your immune system will thank you. It can be cloudy too.

Alan said...

This was a good article.

Surge to Nowhere

The last graf was great, and something good to remember for discussions with your neocon and Nazi friends and family.

According to the war's most fervent proponents, Bush's critics have become so "invested in defeat" that they cannot see the progress being made on the ground. Yet something similar might be said of those who remain so passionately invested in a futile war's perpetuation. They are unable to see that, surge or no surge, the Iraq war remains an egregious strategic blunder that persistence will only compound.

Carey said...

I just treated myself to the latest episode of 30 rock, Tina Fey's creation. Oh my gosh, she obviously wrote this one all by herself because of the strike. It's to die for. The repeat, be sure to catch it, is "Jack dealing with Germans in business". That's how you'll know it.

I guarantee a good time with this episode. It's so fall down funny.

DEN said...

Alan, the PNACers will not be deterred, to do so would be to admit defeat of the PNAC doctrine of world domination, so on we go in the fantasy world they have created dragging us down the sewer hole a bit further every day and nobody with the balls to make it stop.


Carey said...

We went into Iraq solely to secure a military base presence. To be able to control, suppress or whatever we wanted with their oil. We needed the military presence.

It's not a defeatist attitude--they've won.

Nothing else really matters. They got what they wanted.

micki said...

Alan, Professor Bacevich undoubtedly knows of what he speaks, being a West Point graduate and a veteran of two wars himself, retiring as an Army lt. colonel.

He has a grim investment in bu$h'$ War of Choice on Iraq.

His son, 1st Lt. Bacevich was killed on patrol in Iraq in May, 2007.

micki said...

The Congressional Black Caucus Institute -- -- is one of the sponsors of tonight's debate, with CNN being the other.


The Congressional Black Caucus Political Education and Leadership Institute (CBC Institute) operates under the IRS designation 501(C)(4) non-profit organization (applied). Congressman Bennie G. Thompson (MS-2) chairs the Institute's Board of Directors. The Board of Directors is comprised of corporate leaders, academic leaders, labor leaders and members of the Congressional Black Caucus.


The primary activities of the Institute include: (1) development and training of political candidates, leaders and tacticians, (2) research and analysis relating to the redistricting process and the preservation of minority voting representation, and (3) increasing the presence of African Americans in the public policy and service sectors. The Institute creates opportunities for young African Americans whose backgrounds, interests and aspirations guide them toward public service.

We don't get CNN, so I won't be viewing it.

micki said...

I got lots of Vitamin D today!

Beautiful day!

Where's Carol?

DEN said...

Micki, NPR might carry the debate in your area, here is a map of their coverage area.

David B. Benson said...

So cold that all the birds have finally left.

Except the owl. Doesn't seem to bother him...

DEN said...

Micki, Watch online atCNN

Carey said...

So far, score Obama.

Carey said...

Oh my God, no she didn't!!!!!!!

She rammed Rezla down Obama's throat.

Carey said...

Hillary's taken aim and wham. Good show. Oh yeah.

micki said...

Den, thanks for the NPR tip.

I tried that CNN video site; didn't work -- I'd have to download some new software and I don't want to, at this time.

Carey, Rezla? Down his throat? You mean that Rezko deal? I'll have to see the transcript, before I form an opinion. But I think we should know more about this before he gets the nomination, if that's what you are referring to.

Jack Abramhoff is too recent for anyone to get a pass on possible s**t like that. We deserve to know.

micki said...

Bill saw on ABC that Arizona and Hawaii are the only states today that don't have BELOW average temperatures.

micki said...

Our suet bird feeders are very, very busy!

I'm keeping the birdbath water unfrozen -- well, it freezes, then I go out and hack it and pour in warm water. The deer are stopping in for a drink, too.

Maybe I should serve beer to them! It would take longer to freeze!

Nevertheless, it was a gorgeous day!

David B. Benson said...

Siberian express, brought to you courtesy of the Canadians?

Carey said...

Oh shoot, I mean Rezko.

Obama didn't really tell the truth on that, but this is a debate forum. Heck, I don't know.

Carey said...


It was a slammer--yes Clinton soooo zeroed in. It was fun to watch and, indeed, Obama stumbled in his response as far as I'm concerned.

She surprised him--what a politico--in the best sense of the word.

David B. Benson said...

Where's Carol?

Trying to keep warm, I expect...

DEN said...

World weather save to favs file!

Hajji said...

Hey folks,

Just back in from the MLK commemoration with the good folks of Anderson, SC.

Great VIBE...Great CHOIR! Soloist Ms. Wanda Johnson really blew my hair back. It'll take all night to get it re-unkempt!

Today was the dedication of Anderson's "Martin Luther King, Jr.Blvd". Far overdue in coming.

Anderson did well by re-naming "Mall Rd" road leading to their wonderful new entertainment and sports complex after Dr. King. May it long be a street that will be walked along and crossed from playground to concert hall, from ball-courts to ballrooms, and duck pond to picnic pavillions!

Tom Daschle, warm and gracious as alway, was perhaps a bit too quiet among the revival scene, but he touched more than a few with his quiet remembrance. Truly amazing how a quiet white kid from South Dakota could've been so touched and elevated by the words, and even more so, by the ACTIONS of such a great man.

"Standing on the shoulders of Giants" was the theme of his talk.

He kept the stumping for Obama to a bare minimum and focused on the community organizing of local leaders who've been instumental lifting up folks who've been overlooked and openly oppressed for decades.

He had time for a quick meet 'n greet. I might get to hang with him a bit more at the Furman University event tomorrow.

Lots of stories from the compaign staff survivors from NH and NV. Hardy are the folks who can stomach months of that sort of life. The eyes and demeanor of a few of 'em remind me very much of some of the rock'n roll crews I've worked with.

'Nuff said. I did recruit a dozen or so volunteers to work election day, so the polls will at least be under watchful eyes, if nothing else.

Thank you all for your thoughts, words and encouragement.


Carey said...

All three are strong tonight. This is a defining night I believe.

It certainly feels like it in the air. Maybe.

I think I see how it could possibly work out. Then again, we're such a stupid sort of animal.

There's one more horrible possibility you guys. This isn't good. Obama's a target.

yes he is, someone's going to try to shoot him. I think maybe.

I think, I think, no really, this is a feeling.

DEN said...

WOWZER!! a cracking good debate!

Not substance but those two squabbling made Edwards look like the ONLY sane candidate.

Hajji said...


It is common, the fear you hold for Obama...I've heard it time and again, especially considering then lattitude in which I live.

I have decided that such fear will not stop me from trying, from HOPING for someone like him to bring about a spirit of cooperation not just on the playgrounds of SC, but also the lobby-ist streets of DC, and mostly the halls of government where our national choices are made.

Here are some of the most well-armed, marksman proficient and certainly some the most racially demented folks I've ever seen.

One of the calming factors is that more than one most hard-core repugs I know sat out voting in the Repugnant primary...just so they can vote for Obama this Saturday...for no reason but to lessen the chances of having Hillary (back) in the Whitehouse!!!

Interesting strategy, that.

Obama knows the dangers and is willing to take the chance.

I don't want to sound like a campaign commercial, but the question should be..." Are WE willing?"

I know a few folks who worked for Bobby Kennedy's campaign (not comparing, just stating)...they share the same fear, but say that if we TRY as hard as we can we will not only endanger our hearts being broken by a loss at the polls but by the greater fear of another senseless slaughter.

But if Obama's willing to take the risk, who are WE to let him down?


DEN said...

Better fasten your seatbelts, Wall Street opens tomorrow after the World markets tanked today and it could get dicey.

Carey said...

It's going to happen Hajji. I am so sorry, but someone's going to. It's a dreadful feeling.

You mention Bobby Kennedy. That's so weird. CNN announced their next debate, I believe, at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles. I got a chill.

I felt the groundswell tonight.

It's an overriding feeling, damn it, and it won't go away.

Hajji said...

I was listening to the debate while eating and typing the last couple posts.

Good talk...the 2nd part was all I heard, sounded a lot less contentious than the reports of the 1st half.

Edwards is indeed the most sensible sounding...

...I'm told he'll not stand for 2nd fiddle again... I don't know if I've said it before, but I dreamt of having and Obama/Edwards ticket before, with Obama leading the diplomacy with congress and the world...while Edwards was the "Anti-Cheney", bringing the corporate facists to the woodshed ala Bobby Kennedy's crusade against organized crime...

Wow did I just invoke Robert Kennedy TWICE? I'd better switch to a better brand of scotch!

G'nite and remember...

Whatever you do...make sure to VOTE FOR THE RICH, WHITE PERSON!!

It is far past time to give the RICH WHITE PERSON a chance to change the system!

VOTE RICH...VOTE WHITE...but make sure your vote is COUNTED!!!




Den, I got my 401k statement today...lost 5% last quarter...time to switch to gold and put in the 1st National Mattress Bank of right F'n next to my Shotgun!


Hajji said...


Should I try and save a man's life by NOT supporting him? Should I sell my hope and NOT vote for him?

I couldn't and Michelle, the kids and Barak, himself, wouldn't want me to.

I respect you, but I want you to be wrong and I'm hopeful and confident you WILL be wrong in this matter.



Carey said...

Now I'm officially freaked. Hajji hit it--it's the audacity of Obama to be on the same stage as an equal in South Carolina.

Oh my God.

micki said...

I think this talk about taking Obama out is not productive.

Sorry, folks, but that kind of talk can feed hatred. (Not saying that's what you're doing, but that's the reality.)

Talk like that can create a martyr.

micki said...

But, at the end of the day, it's worth noting that one of Bobby Kennedy's sons, RFK, Jr., is backing Hillary Clinton.

So, it looks like it's all about who one believes in.

Carey said...

I hear you loud and clear Micksters.


micki said...

On another (superficial, but apparently hot) take, since Obama and his supporters claim they don't want this to be about race or, I guess stereotypes, I personally think this comment was out of line:

"I would have to investigate more, Bill's dancing abilities and some of this other stuff before I accurately judged whether he was, in fact, a brother," Obama said.

Ha - ha - ha.

Put the shoe on the other foot. If a whitey had said that, they'd be effin crucified! Obama should stop playing the race card, IMO.

micki said...

BTW, who writes these "rules" that a family member -- even a former president -- is not supposed to campaing on behave of the family member?

Do we all forget that GHWB and his lovely bride Bar campaigned on behalf of their no-good son?

Of course, Bill Clinton is saying what he wants to say. He'd be saying the same things if Hillary's strongest opponent was white, Hispanic, Asian, or otherwise, if he had issues with the opponent's record.

It's ain't beanbag.

Carey said...

It was a routin' good time, a rooty-toot debate. They were all at the top of their game, all got shots in, good ones.

I'm proud of us here Democrats.

micki said...

Carey -- you are the best cheerleader, whether it's for the Chargers or the Dems.

Rah rah sis boom bah!

Go team!

micki said...

Well, I just saw the exchange @ E&P of Hillary and Barack going toe to toe on what he said about Reagan and the Repugs being the "party of ideas" for the past 10-15 years.

I also previously saw the (complete) interview with Obama with the Reno Gazette-Journal editorial board.

So on this one, IMO, the score is:

Hillary 1
Obama 0

Obama is trying desperately to take back his pandering words -- he was trying to get an editorial endorsement from a very conservative publication in that inerview prior to the NV caucuses.. And he succeeded there. He got the endorsement.

The problem is, he never thought that video would be widely disseminated.

Amateur hour.

Carey said...

There is no doubt Obama is kicking himself over that Reno interview. No laughing way about it. I tole you--Hillary's an excellent politico, ain't she? They were all on fire.

Bill Clinton does need to take it down a notch. This isn't the same with Bill inserting himself like this, Micki. He's a former President intricately involved with current events.

For the sake of the party, just step back a tiny bit, that's all. He will. He's one of the leaders.

Carey said...

I've been doing this before I go to bed the last few nights. I'm not switching.

I'm voting Edwards in two weeks. Must follow something, heck if I know what it is.