Thursday, January 03, 2008

The Race is ON!

@ Reuters

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent

DES MOINES, Iowa (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama surged to a four-point lead over John Edwards in Iowa, with Hillary Clinton fading to third just hours before the first presidential nominating contest, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

Obama and Edwards gained ground overnight in the tracking poll, and Clinton fell four points to third place -- a finish that, if it held, would deal a dramatic setback to the one-time Democratic front-runner.

Obama was at 31 percent among likely Democratic caucus-goers, Edwards at 27 percent and Clinton 24 percent. No other Democrat was in double digits.

In the Republican race, Mike Huckabee expanded his lead to six points, 31 to 25 percent, over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the one-time leader in Iowa who has attacked Huckabee for his record as Arkansas governor.

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson is in third place in the Republican race at 11 percent and Arizona Sen. John McCain slipped two points to 10 percent. Texas Rep. Ron Paul also registered 10 percent.

"There is a clear Clinton fade," pollster John Zogby said. "None of it has been dramatic, but it has been steady."

He said Clinton, a New York senator, was losing ground to Obama, an Illinois senator, among Democrats -- as opposed to independents -- and self-described liberals.

We will see how this one pans out. It promises to be a real nail-biter right up to the end doesn't it. In a way I will be sooooo glad when it's over and we can finally get on and support the winner and attempt to take the country back.

Speaking of that Democracy Now had an excellent evaluation of the advisers to the various campaigns today that reveals that behind the scenes there are quite a few supporters of past genocide and death on the rosters of the candidates. Not a nice bunch of folks, quite the contrary, should have it posted a a little later Here



carey said...

How Den of you to depict Iowa as a motorcyle rumble.

tres apropos

carey said...

Nail biting? No, knuckle bites.

micki said...

Gail Collins of TNYT has figured out why Kucinich advised his supporters to line up with Obama, even though Edwards is closer to Dennis on the issues:

...because Edwards whispered to Clinton that Kucinich wasn't a viable candidate on a hot mike. Remember that?

She's probably right. Très petit of Dennis, now the menace.

micki said...

WE'LL SEE........

The New York Times
January 3, 2008
The Right Move on the C.I.A. Tapes

The Justice Department’s announcement that it has ordered a formal criminal investigation into the destruction of Central Intelligence Agency interrogation videotapes is a heartening, and unaccustomed, sign that the attorney general is doing his duty to get to the bottom of a roiling scandal.

After years of watching his predecessor excuse and obscure government wrongdoing, Attorney General Michael Mukasey’s choice of a tough-minded career federal prosecutor to lead the criminal inquiry also strikes us as a good sign. This is especially true considering Mr. Mukasey’s faltering performance at his confirmation hearing, where he refused to say whether he considered waterboarding — a brutal interrogation method believed to be shown on the tapes — to be torture.

It is essential that the truth of what was on those tapes and how they came to be destroyed now comes out and that all of the government officials involved in their destruction be held legally accountable — whether they are C.I.A. officers or top White House officials who spent three years debating whether to destroy the tapes.

The tapes, which depicted the interrogations of two Al Qaeda operatives in 2002, may themselves have amounted to evidence of a crime — torture — carried out under the president’s authority. The decision to destroy them appears to be one more move by the Bush administration to cover up the many abuses it has committed in the name of fighting terrorism.

Reporting by The Times has shown that the destruction was, indeed, driven by fear of public scrutiny.

Government officials may also have engaged in illegal obstruction when they failed to provide the tapes to the bipartisan commission that President Bush assigned to review the events surrounding the Sept. 11 attacks, or to the courts. Mr. Mukasey’s decision followed a joint preliminary inquiry by the Justice Department and the C.I.A.’s inspector general, which determined a full criminal investigation was warranted.

John Durham, a federal prosecutor from Connecticut who will be in charge of the inquiry, has the experience for the job. We hope that he will also have the independence he needs to do it correctly.

We are eager to see Mr. Durham get to work — and eager to see the results. The country does not need an investigation that lasts years.

Mr. Durham’s new assignment does not lessen the importance or urgency of an investigation into the matter by Congress. Lawmakers have ordered Jose A. Rodriguez Jr., the former head of the C.I.A.’s clandestine branch, to appear at a hearing this month. Nor should it affect the A.C.L.U.’s pending civil case seeking contempt sanctions for the C.I.A.’s withholding of evidence sought under the Freedom of Information Act.

It is vital that Mr. Durham work quickly and fearlessly to collect evidence, establish what exactly was on those tapes and how they came to be destroyed, and determine what, if any prosecutions, are warranted. The ultimate test for Mr. Mukasey will be whether he grants Mr. Durham the latitude he needs to conduct a searching inquiry free of political meddling.

micki said...

Here's one piece of good news -- hahaha!

While campaigning with McCain in NH, Holy Joe Lieberman said that he has ruled out the idea of running as McCain's VP pick. "Oh yeah," Lieberman said, "I got that bug out of my system."

The booger!

DEN said...

Watch this, Jonathahan Turley's take on the CIA tape investigation.

micki said...

Professor Turley, once again, nails it succinctly!

Alan said...

We are eager to see Mr. Durham get to work — and eager to see the results. The country does not need an investigation that lasts years.

I haven't watched Turley yet, so maybe he covered this, but...
we may never see the results of the investigation. Just like the Scooter Libby investigation, they don't have to make a final report to be published.

carey said...


Way interesting. Do you think Kucinich is that tres petit?

It doesn't fit the persona. But you know, it's gotta be true, like you said.

Giggles to the menace comment. So right too.

carey said...

Durham is a diversion to pass the time so it won't come to anything, like the Scooter thing.

Yes, Alan.

Yawn. I suppose this is their idea of saving the G.O.P. Look like they're doing something and then change the language so it appears done.

carey said...

Lieberman making yucks.


Carey said...

Gossip time. Huckabee has gained weight.

Carey said...

Remember, that was a big part of his schtick, the personal accountability of one's health.

micki said...

FATTYGATE! -- Okay, I'll add to Carey's gossip...

The rumors are that Mr. Successful Loser has either gastric bypass or a lap-band to help him in his weight loss -- and he claims it was all personal will, etc!

In August, 2004, WaPo said:

In the past 18 months, he has whittled 110 pounds from his 5-foot-11 frame, going from 280 pounds (and a body mass index of 39 , which put him roundly in the ranks of the obese) to a trim 170 pounds and a healthy body mass index of 24.

Carey said...

Oh my God, Micki and Carol. Have you seen Kevin Madden, Romney's nat'l press secretary? It just makes you cringe away, similar to the effects Romney has. He's a younger, Clooney look-alike, Romney.

It's just too funny to see.

Carey said...

I was just thinking, if Huck had artificial help with the weight loss, it wouldn't creep back so easily. This is just a plain, on the road in America, poundfest.

So, maybe the rumors are false. You can tell I'm just sitting around waiting and fooling around.

micki said...

Carey -- if Huck had artificial help with the weight loss, it wouldn't creep back so easily.

Sorry, but that is just not fact, people who have these weight loss procedures gain weight back at a faster rate than those who CHANGE THEIR HABITS, by restricting calories and EXERCISING.

There are hundreds of documented cases, where doctors "offer" the surgical procedures to patients who have not made any demonstrable effort to lose weight the hard way -- through lifestyle changes.

micki said...

Oh, Carey, from last night...I was referring to eviserating the middle classes wherever they are, ALL around the world.

Alan said...

Tom Hanks Tells Hollywood Whopper in 'Charlie Wilson's War'

Hollywood wants to avoid a key truth about 9/11.

"We just can't deal with this 9/11 thing. Does it have to be so political?" from an anonymous source at Playtone Productions

Charlie Wilson's War purports to be the true story of a hard-partying U.S. congressman from Texas who engineered the defeat of the Soviet Union by the Afghan Mujahiddin. Now there are true stories, and there are true-ish stories. It is a given that, in creating a film narrative, sometimes the truth gets a little bent, but it's against the rules to change facts that change the outcome of history. When telling the story of Antony and Cleopatra, they gotta die at the end, n'est pas.


David B. Benson said...

Jared Diamond recently did an op-ed. Maybe in TNYT. Can somebody find a link?


David B. Benson said...

Making friends and influencing people:

China ships food aid to Zimbabwe

micki said...

What's your consumption factor? Jared Diamond

Is this the one?

David B. Benson said...

Yes. Thank you!

micki said...

Jared Diamond -- The Ends of the World as we Know Them

Even though that was what you were seeking, this is interesting, too, from January 1, 2005, TNYT.

micki said...

I can't wait for the Dems and the Repugs to get their nominees and THEN, hopefully, there will be some serious talking about the ISSUES!

David B. Benson said...

Yes, that op-ed is also good.

Den will like the Zapcar by Xebra. A neat three wheeler which, as I just observed, is highly manuverable.

Is there a NACAR event just for zapcars?


Carey said...

I did not know that Micki about obesity and the various options. Huh.

Carey said...

Shoot, Micki, I confused myself with my comment on conspiracy. I do that.

Greg Palast does propose, however, that big oil has plans to do away with the global middle class. For him it's all about the class war.

And it is. I have to agree.

Carey said...

So that's the story that's been headlined in my email, Alan, about Charlie Wilson and Tom Hanks.

Wowishly complex, isn't it?

Carey said...

Pat Buchanan just said Edwards has to win tonight. It's the way he said it. I don't know??

Oh God, now I'm tightening up here.

Carey said...

Oh Jesus. Chuck Todd just agreed with him.

Just before that I was thinking, gee, Todd's good at analysis.

The stakes. It's the stakes.

micki said...

Who's Chuck Todd?

micki said...

You know what really chaps my hide about this ridiculous 3-ring circus in Iowa?

In four of the last nine presidential elections, the Dem who won the Iowa caucuses did not win the nomination.

Yet, the TeeVee chattering class clowns CROWN a winner.

Makes me almost need a barf bag.

micki said...

* 2004 - John Kerry (38%) defeated John Edwards (32%), Howard Dean (18%), Richard Gephardt (11%) and Dennis Kucinich (1%)

* 2000 - Al Gore (63%) defeated Bill Bradley (37%)

* 1996 - Bill Clinton* (unopposed)

* 1992 - Tom Harkin (76%) defeated Paul Tsongas (4%), Bill Clinton* (3%), Bob Kerrey (2%) and Jerry Brown (2%)

* 1988 - Richard Gephardt (31%) defeated Paul Simon (27%), Michael Dukakis (22%) and Bruce Babbitt (6%)

* 1984 - Walter Mondale (49%) defeated Gary Hart (17%), George McGovern (10%), Alan Cranston (7%), John Glenn (4%), Rueben Askew (3%) and Jesse Jackson (2%)

* 1980 - Jimmy Carter (59%) defeated Ted Kennedy (31%)

* 1976 - "Uncommitted" (37%) defeated Jimmy Carter* (28%) Birch Bayh (13%), Fred R. Harris (10%), Morris Udall (6%), Sargent Shriver (3%) and Henry M. Jackson (1%)

* 1972 - Edmund Muskie (36%) defeated George McGovern (23%), Hubert Humphrey (2%), Eugene McCarthy (1%), Shirley Chisholm (1%) and Henry M. Jackson (1%)

micki said...

Not only is it a 3-ring circus, but 17-YOs can caucus as long as they are 18-YO by election day. Try voting in a primary in Michigan or California or Florida, etc. if you're only 17 YO!!

No absentee votes allowed. Ya gotta be there in person, which means if a person is in the hospital, or fighting a war in Iraq, they don't have a SAY in Iowa.

Plus, if you are an out-of-state college student -- and not even registered to vote in Iowa -- you can show up at a caucus site and register on caucus night! Then, if you change your mind later and choose to vote in your home state, well that's okay.

This is a bullshit way to choose a candidate. I think Iowa should stick to corn and leave important matters up to us! :-)

David B. Benson said...

Nursing homes, Micki. Don't forget nursing homes...

David B. Benson said...

For those who have to watch the returns (updated every 30 seconds):

Iowa demoncractic Party Caucus Results

Gerald said...

Jared Diamond shared some important and interesting information. Our government needs to pick the brains of people who have special skills.

Gerald said...

I voted for Hillary in the Michigan primary, scheduled for January 15. Since I am over 60 years of age, I can vote on an absentee ballot.

Hillary's blunder and why she may have a difficult time receiving the nomination of her party centers around her backing of Spitzer and his idea to permit illegal aliens to have driver's licenses. I like her background but she needs to drift away from Hitler Bush's murdering mentality.

Carey, I enjoy your posts but I may have to pass on them. Your many health problems are starting to depress me.

micki said...

Right. Nursing homes.

micki said...

Or working the late shift.

micki said...

Oh, great, Dr. B!

I took a peek at that caucus results' site -- and I guess I'll go back...

Good find.

Gerald said...

Better Nutrition in Honduras

Vicky Alvarado was tired of seeing malnourished children in her native Honduras. In some areas, 70 percent of residents were undernourished. The problem wasn’t money – only two percent of families could not afford to eat daily. The problem was buying and eating the most nutritious foods.

Alvarado, who has a master’s degree in nutrition, teamed up with the Honduran Secretary of Health to teach people about hygiene, meal planning and food preparation. Instructors traveled to villages throughout Honduras and the local mothers turned out to learn how to help their families. Statistics from weigh-ins and measurements of children showed that over time they grew healthier.

Alvarado knew immediate action was necessary. She had the tools to help and she didn’t stop until people were helped.

One person with a desire to succeed can definitely make a difference for the better. Decide how you can help.

The good person brings good things out of a good treasure. (Matthew 12:35)

Inspire professionals to use their skills for the benefit of the all, but especially those who are poor, sick or powerless, Holy Spirit.

Gerald said...

War is over - if you want it

º¿carol said...

I like the caucus site, too.

Go John!

micki said...

Precincts Reporting: 237 of 1781

Edwards slightly ahead...Go, John!

Gerald said...

"I spend every second of every day mourning my son and longing for his future. I am sorry if someone wearing an 'Impeach Bush and Cheney' t-shirt will ruin a parade for somebody, but we are trying to prevent many more people from having their entire lives ruined.

We cannot allow this criminal regime to continue as in the words of the first leaflet from the White Rose Society:

It is certain that today every honest German is ashamed of his government. Who among us has any conception of the dimensions of shame that will befall us and our children when one day the veil has fallen from our eyes and the most horrible of crimes ... reach the light of day." - Cindy Sheehan.

º¿carol said...

Is there a site for the rethuglicans?

David B. Benson said...

346 precincts: John still ahead.

Addictive, isn't it?

Gerald said...

All Power to the People

micki said...

Carol...rethugs are supposed to be @

But, I can't get anything to come up.

Maybe Jesus shut 'er down. Just got realllllly pissed off maybe! :-))

micki said...


Holy mackeel!

micki said...

530 -- Obama, damn, slight lead

Gerald said...

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
–John Quincy Adams

This is a great thought. I have to vote on principle. I know that our elections are rigged and the Nazis will retain the White House and retake the Senate but a person still must take the time to vote.

Rigged elections plus many voters names being dropped from the registry to vote equals a huge win for the Nazi Party in 2008.

There goes our democracy!!!!!

Gerald said...

Does a third place finish in Iowa doom Hillary's chances to be nominated by her party?

Carey said...


Carey said...

This is a bullshit way to choose a candidate. I think Iowa should stick to corn and leave important matters up to us! :-)

A little sarcastic ye are??

Hokay Dokay gang. Here we go.

It's a little more important than that for Edwards in Iowa this time, Micksters, in 2008. The circumstances are odd or different to say the least.

Okay, I just read what I wrote.

Whatever, I'm nervous.

Carey said...

Well, I'll say it then.

Fuck a duck. It's Huck.

micki said...

Man. We're in for a world of hurt.

Young people rule. Not in a good way.

micki said...

Is that official, Carey, about the Huckster?

I haven't seen.

Gotta get back to the dinner table.

Peeking between courses...hahaha.

Carey said...

Ultra-restraint. Actually eating at her dining table.

Not even in a restaurant on a night like this. Must have TV setup.

It's NBC's call. It's correct, on Huck. On the other side, it's soft numbers but oh, so, tight.

Clinton/Edwards vying for 2nd. OBAMA, I BELIEVE HAS BEEN CALLED BY NBC. UH, NOT SURE.

Carey said...

Huck and Obama are the NBC calls.

DEN said...

Obama, Edwards, Clinton, who cares about huckabee?

micki said...

I don't *care* about Huckabee, but I hope he doesn't build momentum on his 1st place position in Iowa. Don't ever discount an aw shucks Baptist preacher. They have a huge following.

As far as Obama, Edwards, Clinton, the 1st place position has real value (won't dispute that), but whether it translates into momentum is anyone's guess. The 1st place claim can be temporary -- very temporary. And frankly, I hope it is temporary. Edwards and Clinton are better presidential material than Obama is.


Carey said...

Don't worry about Huckabee. No need. He's a jerk. A very strange, weird jerk. Huck's definitey into himself with heavy narcissistic overtones. His campaign's success is a miracle, you know.

Hmm, how intriguing about Obama's excellent speech and the reaction. Reminiscent of his 2004 Democratic convention speech. There's definitely a movement, an urge for "change". I don't know what to make of this yet. No one does. particularly Clinton.

The night lived up to it's billing.

Carey said...

The tea leaves are not readable yet.

One thing is absolutely certain. I am full on tortillas and salsa.