Friday, February 01, 2008

Friday Funnies


DEN said...

Mark Fiore

DEN said...

Troops in Afghanistan are still maintaining a sense of humor, such as it is.
You Might Be Taliban if.....

1.You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.

2.You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can't
afford shoes.

3. You have more wives than teeth.

4. You wipe your butt with your bare left hand, but consider bacon

5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.

6. You can't think of anyone you HAVEN'T declared Jihad against.

7. You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your

8. You've felt the urge to "rub one off" after seeing a woman's exposed

9. You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting
off roadside bombs.

10. You've even uttered the phrase, "I love what you've done with your

DEN said...

Here are six reasons why you should think before you speak -

Have you ever spoken and wished that you could immediately take the words back... ?
Or that you could crawl into a hole?
Here are the Testimonials of a few people who did....

I walked into a hair salon with my husband and three kids in tow and asked loudly,
'How much do you charge for a shampoo and a blow job?
I turned around and walked back out and never went back.
My husband didn't say a word... he knew better.

I was at the golf store comparing different kinds of golf balls.
I was unhappy with the women's type I had been using.
After browsing for several minutes,
I was approached by one of the good-looking gentlemen who works at the store.
He asked if he could help me. Without thinking, I looked at him and said,
'I think I like playing with men's balls.'

My sister and I were at the mall and passed by a store that sold a variety of candy and nuts.
As we were looking at the display case, the boy behind the counter asked if we needed any help.
I replied, 'No, I'm just looking at your nuts.'
My sister started to laugh hysterically. The boy grinned, and I turned beet-red and walked away.
To this day, my sister has never let me forget.

While in line at the bank one afternoon, my toddler decided to release some
pent-up energy and ran amok. I was finally able to grab hold of her after
receiving looks of disgust and annoyance from other patrons.
I told her that if she did not start behaving 'right now' she would be punished.
To my horror, she looked me in the eye and said in a voice just as threatening,
'If you don't let me go right now,
I will tell Grandma that I saw you kissing Daddy's pee-pee last night!'
The silence was deafening after this enlightening exchange.
Even the tellers stopped what they were doing.
I mustered up the last of my dignity and walked out of the bank with my daughter in tow.
The last thing I heard when the door closed behind me, were screams of laughter.

Have you ever asked your child a question too many times?
My three-year-old son had a lot of problems with potty training and I was on
him constantly. One day we stopped at Taco Bell for a quick lunch, in between
errands. It was very busy, with a full dining room. While enjoying my taco, I
smelled something funny, so of course I checked my seven-month-old daughter, she
was clean. The realized that Danny had not asked to go potty in a while.
I asked him if he needed to go, and he said 'No'.
I kept thinking 'Oh Lord, that child has had an accident, and I don't have any
clothes with me.' Then I said, 'Danny, are you SURE you didn't have an accident?
'No,' he replied. I just KNEW that he must have had an accident, because the smell was getting worse. Soooooo, I asked one more time, 'Danny did you have an accident? This time he jumped up, yanked down his pants, bent over, spread his cheeks and yelled 'SEE MOM, IT'S JUST FARTS!!'
While 30 people nearly choked to death on their tacos laughing, he calmly
pulled up his pants and sat down.
An old couple made me feel better, thanking me for the best laugh they'd ever had!

This had most of the state of Michigan laughing for 2 days and a very
embarrassed female news anchor who will, in the future, likely think before she
speaks. What happens when you predict snow but don't get any! We had a female
news anchor that, the day after it was supposed to have snowed and didn't, turned to the
weatherman and asked: 'So Bob, where's that 8 inches you promised me last
night? Not o nly did HE have to leave the set, but half the crew did too they were laughing so hard!

Now, didn't that feel good?
Pass it on to someone you know who needs a laugh and remember
we all say things we don't really mean, so think before you speak

OK here is # 7...and it's oh so true.

The girls from work went out after work to send off a co-worker to a new job.
First round, they ordered a margarita - it tasted oh so good especially those 3 hazel
nuts after they had soaked a little, so they ordered a second one. The waitress
brings them round, I look at my margarita - alas there are no hazelnuts in it.
Without thinking I pipe up, "I liked the 3 nutted bartender better"!!! Well you
can imagine everyone started laughing including the waitress. A couple minutes
later the waitress returns - she had gone to tell the bartender what I said,
she brought along a cup with a whole handful of the nuts, compliments of the bartender.
Boy was my face red....this was back in the late 70's or early 80's.
My friends still don't let me forget it, but it always brings a laugh.

DEN said...

> You Don't Have To Own A Cat To Appreciate This
> One! You don't even have to like 'em!
> We were dressed and ready to go out for the New Years
> Eve Party. We turned on a night light, turned the
> answering machine on, covered our pet parakeet and put
> the cat in the backyard.
> We phoned the local cab company and requested a taxi.
> The taxi arrived and we opened the front door to leave
> the house.
> The cat we put out in the yard scoots back into the
> house. We didn't want the cat shut in the house
> because she always tries to eat the bird.
> My wife goes out to the taxi, while I went inside to
> get the cat. The cat runs upstairs, with me in hot
> pursuit. Waiting in the cab, my wife doesn't want the
> driver to know that the house will be empty for the
> night. So, she explains to the taxi driver that I will
> be out soon, "He's just going upstairs to say Goodbye
> to my mother."
> A few minutes later, I get into the cab. "Sorry I took
> so long, " I said, as we drive away. " That stupid
> bitch was hiding under the bed. I had to poke her with
> a coat hanger to get her to come out! She tried to
> take off, so I grabbed her by the neck. Then, I had to
> wrap her in a Blanket to keep her from scratching me.
> But it worked! I hauled her fat ass downstairs and
> threw her out into the back yard!"
> The cab driver hit a parked car.

Gerald said...

Let the fifth graders run our country

Hitler Bush makes me puke.

micki said...

Well, MoveOn has ENDORSED -- and they picked Obama.

They claim to have 500,000 members in California alone, out of their 1.7m membership.

So, if those numbers are accurate, one would think that Obama has California in the bag on Woozy Tuesday.

Gerald said...

MoveOn emailed me to vote and I said that they should not endorse anyone until the general election. They still asked me to vote and I voted for Hillary. I said that we need more women ruling world governments in order to move us in a new direction. Men have totally screwed up this world and let us give women a chance to better the world.

Scroll up and read the article that I posted.

I did not watch the debate last night. Who seems to have won the debate on the issues I hope?

David B. Benson said...


Once again, the decision to have WSU closed today was announced yesterday at 5:28 pm.

But it only snowed less than one centimeter last night.


Not tough, as in the previous century.

Gerald said...

The real fabric of American society is not all those flags you see on people's's in the Bill of Rights and in our constitutional form of government.
– John Adams (composer)

Gerald said...

But from where I stand, one thing is clear: It may be time to turn the country over to the fifth graders. Either that or get someone else to teach religion. - Sister Joan

St. Jerome said, "Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.

Gerald says, "Give more power to women!"

Gerald said...

With the American public enamored with Obama I will either write in Kucinich on my ballot or I will vote for an Independent, a Socialist, or a Green Party member.

I will part my way from the Democratic Party in 2008.

David B. Benson said...

Gerals --- Don't count Rodham out yet...

Gerald said...

DBB, there seems to be this aura around Obama that he is the chosen one. Americans cannot seem to tolerate the thought of a woman president. Americans want a man and their old farts that smell up the place.

micki said...

In the old days, we walked to campus in a blizzard, uphill.....both ways...most girls wearing skirts for gawdsakes, because coeds were not supposed to wear pants.

At least at Barnard, the girls could wear Bermuda shorts (as long as they weren't more than 2 inches above the knee), but don't EVEN THINK OF GOING ON TO COLUMBIA'S CAMPUS with your legs bare in the early 1960s!


David B. Benson said...

Micki --- These days the 'coeds' seem to prefer wearing short skirts year 'round.

But these days the outfit includes jeans as well.

Anti-fashionable, but warm.

David B. Benson said...

Wecome to the future?

Wecome to the Anthropocene

DEN said...

Gee wiz, another period in the scenario, what no party?

DEN said...

HOUSTON — Exxon Mobil Corp. posted the largest annual profit by a U.S. company _ $40.6 billion _ on Friday as the world's biggest publicly traded oil company benefited from historic crude prices at the end of the year.

Exxon also set a U.S. record for the biggest quarterly profit, posting net income of $11.7 billion for the final three months of 2007, beating its own mark of $10.71 billion in the fourth quarter of 2005.

I know most of you have seen the record profit BS but my question is, if they are reaping record profits maybe the gas price is too high??

Meanwhile people just stand by while BIG OIL rapes us over and over, stealing our hard earned dollars without even the slightest opposition from any source.

Saladin said...

Greetings DEN! I hope you are well. The race is certainly heating up isn't it? Imagine my surprise to find it is down to Hillary and Obama on the left, and on the right we have the amazing choice of John and Mitt, nothing but pro-war, pro-Israel on all sides. How is a girl to make up her mind? Since the only two positively anti-war, pro-peace candidates do not have a chance, poor Mr. Kucinich, who's failure to progress is due, no doubt, to a complete lack of support from his so-called anti-war grassroots campaigners, and Mr. Paul, who is completely ignored and despised by the MSM and the left/right monopoly I guess we really will be slaughtering innocent Arabs for 100 years. So, here's to demockracy, where no matter who you vote for it means death and destruction for the US and anyone we can manage to drag down with us. HIP HIP HOORAY!!

DEN said...

Isn't fascism wonderful?


Saladin said...

Better get used to it huh?

DEN said...

Sal, the MSM has selected whom you should vote for by parading them on the TV day after day and we all know who butters their bread, The military industrial war mongers currently the neo-fascists controlling this country right now.

Ron Paul is against womens right to choose(gynecologist) and a crack pot willing to sacrifice the poor by removing any government subsidies they may receive by eliminating the government agencies helping them.

The only point I agree with him on is abolishing the FED, thats not enough for me to vote for him.

Edwards was the only one I would vote for, now stuck with the MSM's choices, YUCK!

Saladin said...

Dear DEN, Mr. Paul is not a crackpot, and besides what he wants to do and is able to do are two different things. Having some kind of middle ground would be nice! I will vote for him for the one reason I have always stood by, the end of these murderous, empire building wars. As someone once said, "it's the war economy stupid!" The rest is ad hominem attack. Anyone who has actually taken the time to listen to him speak knows what he means.

David B. Benson said...

Saladin --- You can always vote Green...

Saladin said...

How's this for irony, Norma McCorvey, the infamous Jane Roe, has endorsed Ron Paul for president! Despite the fact that no president has the power to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I think it's pretty funny. Wasn't this also a big scare mongering issue in the last election? The SC appointees ala Bush would have that goal as their #1 priority? But..... No one will overturn that, anymore then they can forbid gay marriage. For the left to use it as a platform is just as pathetic as it was when the psycho religious right wing used it. Get over it! We have far more important irons in the fire, don't we?

Saladin said...

Hello Mr. Benson, I hope you are well. I actually would vote green if I thought that party had a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning and stopping the wars, but let's not be naive.

Gerald said...

Obama wins a huge endorsement from world Muslim leaders. John Allen who writes for the National Catholic Reporter from the Vatican wrote that during the dialogue between Catholic and Muslim relations who would the Muslim world want to see as the next president they said Obama because they are tired of White males as president. Gerald says that he is tired of males screwing up the world and he would like to see a woman as the next president.

Will the world Muslim leaders influence our election by seeing to it that Obama is the next president? Odds favor such an influence.

Here it is January 20, 2009 and Obama takes the oath to uphold the Constitution just like Hitler Bush.

Another male takes the oath to screw up the world.

ยบ¿carol said...

Berkeley Finds a New Way to Make War Politics Local

Woo hoo! I saw this story earlier on CNN when I was eating my lunch. A protest!

While the City Council here has little — read, no — sway over foreign policy and distant wars, local parking is a different matter. And so it was that a parking space directly in front of the recruiting station here for the Marine Corps was awarded on Tuesday night to an antiwar group in the hope of running the Marines out of town.

Gerald said...

Let us screw up world Muslim leaders' minds and elect a woman!!!

The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. The most expensive toys are nuclear toys.

Will Obama follow Hitler Bush in wanting to be a man and continue more wars? Gerald says, "Yes, because Obama would not want to be seen as an Uncle Tom!"

Gerald said...


Carey said...

I believe Micki and I are basically saying the same thing about race. I'm not willing to accept that race is not an integral part of this campaign. It may be Obama's words-these visions of change, but he has to talk that way. He doesn't really have a choice. He'd be too frightening to all those silly whites out there. That's how that works. If he speaks truth, he's out of the picture. You know that and I know that.

What I'm talking about is the fine line he must tread. It is perhaps the most difficult of lines. Hillary has one too, but I don't want to get into that, I'm too tired.

To be honest with you all, I think I'm exhausted mentally and physically from my ongoing ordeal. I think it may be over guys. Not sure yet. He's away from us. I hope for good. The police haven't nabbed him, but he'll screw up. That's him. Everyone that has been around Dan is now frightened of him, seriously.

I'm pooped.

Carey said...

'I think I like playing with men's balls.'

What? Whaaat? What's wrong with that?

Gerald said...

The Stepford Republicans

Gerald said...

Hitler Bush to leave unfinished business

That's typical of this weasel. He screws up the world as a mass murderer and a war criminal and someone else has to clean up his mess. Where was his mother when he was growing up? Apparently the nanny had to clean up his mess!!!

Carey said...

I suppose while I'm tired I'll say this, though.

It's totally Obama for me. Watching Hillary handle the Iraq war resolution question one more time last night, geesh. I know Micki. I know her argument. I just don't believe her. She can't have it both ways. She claimed inside information during this whole span of time, in all her interviews. I remember listening to her and understanding her concerns. Now she claims she didn't have inside knowledge--she didn't have the advantage of being married to Bill. Fundamentally, that can't work. She's shaving around to create a whole different truth. That's intellectual dishonesty.

They all engage in it. If we don't start nipping at the most basic questions and not allowing these games, we're headed back to the same place we've been.

Gerald said...

The Middle Class Is Dead

Gerald said...

The Next Disaster

Hitler Bush is a TOTAL SCREW UP!!!

Carey said...


What are we to do with those who war monger? A constant nemesis.

It's that wonderful dialectic called capitalism. The eating of itself.

Gerald said...

Oh, my!!! The peacenik Obama talks brave but he really is another Hitler Bush. Hitler Obama will continue with more tragedies.

"We've got to get the job done there [Afghanistan]," Barack Obama asserted without specifying what the "job" is. (AP, Aug 14, 2007)

Obama called for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq and sending them to "the right battlefield," Afghanistan and Pakistan. To pressure Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf to act against terrorist training camps, Obama would use military force - if he became President - against those "terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans." (Bloomberg, Aug 1, 2007)

Gerald said...

My answer is CUT OUR LOSSES and get out entirely!!!!! - Gerald


DEN said...

Sal, snowballs chance in hell is right with the MSM telling everyone who to vote for, might as well vote Gravel.

This whole election is a sham to install pre-selected people into office, nothing will change in 09, SSDD.

micki said... executive director Eli Pariser said -- when explaining MoveOn's membership vote to endorse Obama -- the country needs a president who will:

1) end the war,

2) provide universal health care,

3) address climate change,

4) restore America's standing in the world and,

5) "change business as usual in Washington."

It is my opinion that John Edwards would have gotten the job done on all of those "requirements."

As it is now with Edwards' suspension of his campaign, it is my opinion that Hillary Clinton will do a better job on accomplishing those five requirements than would Barack Obama.

1) Any president with a (D) behind his/her name will end the war, as quickly as possible, after inauguration day. (Even Juan Cole agrees with me.)

2) Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have a better, sounder plan for healthcare than Obama does -- even many of his supporters (who are not the walk-on-water types) agree that his healthcare plan is weak. (Additionally, Obama uses way too many weasel-words on Social Security -- to appease the young people who support him, I suppose, who figure that SS is for old farts and they will NEVER need it themselves, therefore they want no part of the most effective generational contract in the history of our nation.)

3) Hillary Clinton and John Edwards have made more reasonable, sounded, plausible comments in addressing the climate crisis than has Barack Obama. Additionally, Governor Kathleen Sibelius (D-KS), who is rumored to be a possible running mate with Obama (not that I think that is necessaryily true) is playing footsie with BIG COAL, "negotiating" to find "commn ground" on building two new coal-fire power plants in Kansas. Obama has STILL NOT reversed himself on his unrealistic, counter-productive comments on "clean coal." Ugh.

4) Hillary Clinton, IMO, is much better equipped to restore the United States' image around the world. She has a solid track record of earning and maintaining solid relationships with leaders and ordinary people from around the world.

5) As far as changing "business as usual" in Washington, We, the People have to demand that change. Hillary Clinton will respond to that demand as well as Barack Obama would. Obama is no outsider -- he, with great admiration, has claimed that Joe Lieberman was his "mentor" when he entered the Senate. Obama has demonstrated his "business as usual" bona fides, not only in Washington, DC, but in his choice of relationships in Illinois politics -- he's in the thick of machine politics. He's no different than most politicians in that regard. He's just gotten a pass.

So, sorry Carey, but I will not cast a vote on a single issue. No, I am not pleased that Hillary "voted for the war" but I am also not pleased that Barack Obama's votes are EXACTLY what hers have been on the war funding issues, etc. ever since he entered the Senate.

That goddamned war is going to end anyway -- there are other issues that need addressing, and Hillary Clinton is best equipped to respond to them.

Gerald said...

Okay! Had I been with the Hitler Bush's Nazi regime here is my counsel to him. Hitler Bush with our sky satellites that can pinpoint various movements on earth we will use these satellites to bomb the terrorists in the mountains and not send any Americans in harm's way. - Gerald

Even this counsel to Hitler Bush is contrary to Jesus' talks about loving our neighbors. Thank God that I was not part of Hitler Bush's Nazi regime.

With the Hitler Bush's Nazi regime even a man of love can be swallowed up by this evil regime.

David B. Benson said...

Although we currently have the second highest accumulation of snow on the ground since after the great winter of 1968 (before my time here, fortunately for me), the weather forcast is about 50% chance of more snow through the weekend.

No good estimates about how much might additionally accumulate.

Can't be very excited about Rodham vs Obama until Monday at the earliest. Local snow tkes precidence.

By the way, in the 1960's Obama would have been termed an oreo: black outside but white inside. As Alan puts it, jus' saying...

Carey said...

Oh Micki, it's not just on a single issue.

There is one reason to not vote for Clinton. She will lose because of her name and identity. It's simple. A Clinton cannot win again. Especially a Hillary. There's a whole host of reasons for this.

I have never agreed with Hillary's politics. Ever. I will support her as the nominee, but she's way too right for me. Obama is not so much.

He still has some DLC baggage but nothing like Hillary and Bill.

It's the welform reform act. Edwards could never endorse a couple who supported that. This was a betrayal of deep Democratic values.

We'll all support anyone. For me, Obama is much more preferable, more liberal.

carey said...

All good points, absolutely, Micki, by the way. I've been going through the same step by step in my thinking as well. Obama is assuredly weak on universal healthcare and some other issues.

My main concern is Clinton's electability. I am convinced she cannot win. I don't see it happening.

Because she's a Clinton, Hillary Rodham to be precise. Not because she's a woman, although it doesn't work in her favor.

A black man winning? Well.......

DEN said...

I'm a sore loser, I voted absentee for Edwards the day before he quit.

He only carried 18% in his home state too, whats up with that?

I still maintain that the MSM would not stop yammering about Hill and O disregarding other candidates and forcing them from the debates.

All candidates should have got equal coverage and let the people choose not some deep pocket media moguls choosing who to display.

micki said...

Den -- Yeah, if Edwards had gotten the same level of media attention as he did when he SUSPENDED his campaign, he'd still be in the race.

Then again, there's something about this whole shebang that unnerves me...

I'm afraid that, once again, the Democrats are collectively shooting themselves in the foot, and are setting themselves up for defeat in November.

So much that has transpired has been propelled by emotion and personality. While I think we had some very good candidates in the running, the winnowing process pushed out some good ones too soon.

By the time November arrives, whoever the Dem candidate is will be chewed to bits.

What a train wreck.

carey said...

I still maintain that the MSM would not stop yammering about Hill and O disregarding other candidates and forcing them from the debates.

Absolutely, Corps don't like Edwards, the MSM is a corp, hence no Edwards discussion. Drummed out by corp editors.

The los angeles times. Oh my God people, how it has fallen. Now, even it's subheads are written in neocon-ese. It's a goner with the rest of the papers. So damn sad.

carey said...

I'm afraid that, once again, the Democrats are collectively shooting themselves in the foot, and are setting themselves up for defeat in November.

Yes. Everything you said....are we once again headed, you know, down that path?

carey said...

Den, I'm so sorry about your vote. Pisser.

micki said...

Dean -- what Carey said about media.

Recall that Edwards spoke out strongly that media consolidation threatened free speech. Big No-No, if ya want media coverage!

Clinton spoke out against it, too, but not as strongly and relentlessly as Edwards did. Edwards hammered on the tilt to corporate priorities away from local concerns.

Obama wasn't as active on this issue, but he did say some of the right things.

Hmm....maybe that's why Obama got Rupert Murdoch's endorsement in The New York Post. Just kidding....sort of. :-))

Carey said...


What are you doing about Props. 94-97, the Indian Gaming proposals? I can't find anything on them except "neutral" at the Dem site.

So Dems are neutral I gather. I've also heard that the plans could be written better, they're poorly put together. Then there's a labor complaint about the casinos, perhaps you've seen that ad. I don't see how those complaints addressed or even have anything to do with these proposals. I don't know.

Shoot, don't think I'll vote on that maybe. If Dems are neutral, what does that mean? Don't vote on them?

micki said...

Did you hear that Microsoft has made a hostile GAZILLION dollar bid for Yahoo? Trying to overtake Google....

Talk about consolidation.

Carey said...

Yes, that and the Exxon news.

Micksters, remember the other night when I wrote that Obama would not be the candidate?


micki said...

It's not over 'til it's over, Carey.

If he's the candidate, he probably won't be the president, but I could be wrong on that, too.

Carey said...

I didn't mean that he would win. I just meant "oops."

I think I'm so smart. Such confidence, like I know what I'm talking about.

No one has that ability when it comes to primary politics. On top of it all we are in such frontier territory this time around.

Happy Groundhog's Day tomorrow. It's a personal benchmark day for me, an anniversary of sorts.

I do hope you two make it up there in all that snow, Micki and David. Carol and, maybe Gerald, are going to be snowed in too.

Alan, who are you for in the Super Bowl? Sorry, I'm discussing a men's activity where they rub up against each other, Den.

♥¿carol said...

Bob's birthday is St. Patrick's Day

His dad, Valentine's Day

One of his grandson's, Groundhog Day.

Carey said...

Okay, I didn't know about Moveon's actual cited reason as the Iraq war resolution for their Obama endorsement. I came late to that and was rather surprised.

Huh, so they said that. Moveon always is curious.

Birthdays on holidays, don't they feel cheated?

♥C♥rol said...

Birthdays on holidays. They've loved it. Makes birthdays more fun somehow.

C♥rol said...

Bob would always get birthday cards that said stuff like, "For your St. Patrick's Day birthday," with a Leprechaun on it. His birthdays had a theme. I frosted his birthday cakes in green. :)

Carey said...

And the beer?

DEN said...

So John Edwards has dropped out of the race for the presidency. By normal political standards, his campaign fell short.
But Mr. Edwards, far more than is usual in modern politics, ran a campaign based on ideas. And even as his personal quest for the White House faltered, his ideas triumphed: both candidates left standing are, to a large extent, running on the platform Mr. Edwards built.
To understand the extent of the Edwards effect, you have to think about what might have been.
At the beginning of 2007, it seemed likely that the Democratic nominee would run a cautious campaign, without strong, distinctive policy ideas. That, after all, is what John Kerry did in 2004.
If 2008 is different, it will be largely thanks to Mr. Edwards. He made a habit of introducing bold policy proposals” and they were met with such enthusiasm among Democrats that his rivals were more or less forced to follow suit.
It's hard, in particular, to overstate the importance of the Edwards health care plan, introduced in February.
Before the Edwards plan was unveiled, advocates of universal health care had difficulty getting traction, in part because they were divided over how to get there. Some advocated a single-payer system "a k a Medicare for all" but this was dismissed as politically infeasible. Some advocated reform based on private insurers, but single-payer advocates, aware of the vast inefficiency of the private insurance system, recoiled at the prospect.
With no consensus about how to pursue health reform, and vivid memories of the failure of 1993-1994, Democratic politicians avoided the subject, treating universal care as a vague dream for the distant future.
But the Edwards plan squared the circle, giving people the choice of staying with private insurers, while also giving everyone the option of buying into government-offered, Medicare-type plans a form of public-private competition that Mr. Edwards made clear might lead to a single-payer system over time. And he also broke the taboo against calling for tax increases to pay for reform.
Suddenly, universal health care became a possible dream for the next administration. In the months that followed, the rival campaigns moved to assure the party's base that it was a dream they shared, by emulating the Edwards plan. And there's little question that if the next president really does achieve major health reform, it will transform the political landscape.
Similar if less dramatic examples of leadership followed on other key issues. For example, Mr. Edwards led the way last March by proposing a serious plan for responding to climate change, and at this point both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are offering far stronger measures to limit emissions of greenhouse gases than anyone would have expected to see on the table not long ago.
Unfortunately for Mr. Edwards, the willingness of his rivals to emulate his policy proposals made it hard for him to differentiate himself as a candidate; meanwhile, those rivals had far larger financial resources and received vastly more media attention. Even The Times's own public editor chided the paper for giving Mr. Edwards so little coverage.
And so Mr. Edwards won the arguments but not the political war.
Where will Edwards supporters go now? The truth is that nobody knows.
Yes, Mr. Obama is also running as a 'change' candidate. But he isn't offering the same kind of change: Mr. Edwards ran an unabashedly populist campaign, while Mr. Obama portrays himself as a candidate who can transcend partisanship and given the economic elitism of the modern Republican Party, populism is unavoidably partisan.
It's true that Mr. Obama has tried to work some populist themes into his campaign, but he apparently isn't all that convincing: the working-class voters Mr. Edwards attracted have tended to favor Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Obama.
Furthermore, to the extent that this remains a campaign of ideas, it remains true that on the key issue of health care, the Clinton plan is more or less identical to the Edwards plan. The Obama plan, which doesn't actually achieve universal coverage, is considerably weaker.
One thing is clear, however: whichever candidate does get the nomination, his or her chance of victory will rest largely on the ideas Mr. Edwards brought to the campaign.
Personal appeal won't do the job: history shows that Republicans are very good at demonizing their opponents as individuals. Mrs. Clinton has already received the full treatment, while Mr. Obama hasn't yet. But if he gets the nod, watch how quickly conservative pundits who have praised him discover that he has deep character flaws.
If Democrats manage to get the focus on their substantive differences with the Republicans, however, polls on the issues suggest that they'll have a big advantage. And they'll have Mr. Edwards to thank.

Thats what I been sayin!

The best candidate we ever lost.

DEN said...

Carey, No on the three casino issues, only benefits a few tribes down by LA.

Ahnold tried sliding it thru first unoticed but the Legislature said no way, put it on the ballot!

DEN said...

Takes real skill to produce direction and make one think it was their idea.

micki said...

Dean -- what Carey said about media.

I'd be fired as a proofreader!

I meant...Den!

Sorry for the typo.

micki said...

Den cites Paul Krugman:

It's true that Mr. Obama has tried to work some populist themes into his campaign, but he apparently isn't all that convincing: the working-class voters Mr. Edwards attracted have tended to favor Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Obama.

Furthermore, to the extent that this remains a campaign of ideas, it remains true that on the key issue of health care, the Clinton plan is more or less identical to the Edwards plan. The Obama plan, which doesn't actually achieve universal coverage, is considerably weaker.

...which takes me to my brother...the working-class guy, you might say. The union guy.

I just talked to him. He and his buddies are still rootin' for Hillary. Jim reports that they (including the "people of color" in the union) think Hillary is the best chance to save the day.

Just sayin'....

BTW my brother was a history/anthropology student in college. He just likes what he does. An ordinary working-stiff. Less bullshit. Well, somewhat less.

Alan said...

Carey, I ALWAYS root for the AFC team because the Oilers, and now the Texans, are in the AFC. Some ppl don't like Brady, but I do. I'll be pulling for them to knock off the old Miami Dolphins undefeated record They actually already have. Miami went 17-0 with a SuperBowl win and the Patriots are already 18-0, with a SuperBowl victory making them 19-0.

I always hope it's a good game. Competitive and all that. Too often, one team has a big letdown and things get out of hand. No blowouts! A REAL game to the end, please! I never bet money (on anything, actually) because that would take the fun out of it for me. The money riding would make it BUSINESS, instead of fun.

I seen we had a visit from Debbie Downer. haha